People who think Ali would be able to compete with the tall-superheavyweights

What in blue hell is this? Your idiocy truly knows no boundaries. Andy Ruiz Jr, the guy arguably beat the reigning WBO champion would be smaller than Sonny Liston without all that fat. Cunningham was a vastly inferior Fighter to Ali, or Fraizer or any top dog from that era, he suffered clear losses to far lesser fighters, and should've been counted out against 6'1, 220 lbs Mansour(who can be described as a very, very, very, very poor men's George Foreman) Yet he still made a formidable HW, schooled Tyson Fury for 6 rounds and should've become the IBF mandatory over Glazkov.

Can't believe you wrote that garbage. Calling you an idiot or a moron would be compliment to your intelligence level.

 

This is one of the worst posts I have ever seen.

 

Another thing that would help a young light and fast Ali a little bit would be his footwork. He bounced on his toes which gave him some more height aginst his comp.

He stood 6"2 but on his toes it's more like 6"4.

His reach was measured on TV to 79 inches. And he had longer arms than wide shoulders compared to Wlad for example.

Height and reach wouldnt be his biggest problem.

 

Why?!

Because I think a fighter from 50 years ago would still crack the top 50 despite 50 years(!) of evolvement of the sport in general and the heavyweight division in particular?!

I must be blind. Clearly I need to take on the colored glasses from 1967...

 

Turn it in man.

It's becoming really boring.

Seriously, what's happened to this forum?

It needs cleansing.

You must be trolling, because nobody could be this stupid.

I know casuals who don't even believe in this manure.

One pathetic post followed by another one.

It's not even remotely amusing.

It's just sad.

 

I assumed that we were just dealing with an idiot. But the post you've responded to has officially confirmed to me that he's a troll.

He has to be. Because I just refuse to believe that anybody could be that dumb.

Just ignore him.

I'm done with him.

 

Clearly you need to stop spamming the thread with your horse manure posts, so the rest of us can have an intelligent debate.

 

His username is fitting, a bum poster is getting smacked around.

 

Just finished reading this entire thread. The way I see it Ali is overrated and I would favour the cream of the SHWs of the last quarter century against him, having said that Ali certainly boasts clear advantages in certain areas and am hesitant to write him off completely.

Rather than getting heat up about a difference in opinion, the pro-Ali crowd would be better off explaining in detail how Ali would overcome the size disparity and win against these modern SHWs. Can anyone paint a picture for me because I struggle to imagine how he does it other than the Klitschkos/Joshua/Lewis/Bowe/whoever making a tactical error a la Foreman. Ali boasts great physical defence but porous technical defence to my eyes and despite his obvious toughness I find it difficult to believe he can withstand the kind of offence he would be dealing with, if he can survive long enough to tire his opponent out then an edge for Ali becomes clearer but its a big if for me.

If anyone is thinking about a reply calling me a low IQ spastic deserving their pity with a suggestion to stop watching boxing then don't bother, I find it hard to learn anything from someone who gets emotional and starts with personal insults and the whole point of discussions like these are so we can learn/teach from each other so its better if everyone keeps it civil.

Is this true? Do you have a link to numbers that back this up? (too lazy to do the research & sums myself)

 

Someone who claims Joshua vs Ali would be like Ali vs GGG, who claims Ali wouldn't be any better than Eddie Chambers knows nothing about sweet science and deserves to be insulted, cursed and abused. I challenge you to make a thread about GGG and SRR, and to claim SRR would be grossly overmatched,that he'd be no better than a guy like Sergio Mora, get 1000x worse reaction and see how getting emotional and getting abused(and rightly so) really looks like.

And this has been done to death, It's been explained and broken down a 1000 Times, if you don't remember any of them then I suggest you to go back to the infamous Ali/AJ thread. But It seems like you chose to ignore them, you don't want to believe Ali would stand a chance against powerful SHWs hence the excuses about the win over Foreman(like the BS about heat, or Foreman having a bad Game plan. You know that Big George was a skillful powerhouse who'd hold his own against any modern SHW out there and you really, really hate the fact that Ali did a number on him.

 

I love it how people are getting triggered over an Ali discussion. The same people that think Ali would be able to compete against modern SH, are the same ones laughing at the idea of modern Cruisers or Usyk being successful at heavyweight, oh the double standards.


The idiocy knows no bounds.

 

I genuinely pity anybody who seriously doesn't believe that Ali would have been competetive with modern SHW's.

Regarding Usyk, he's looking good. But despite being of a similar size to Ali, he obviously don't possess the same unique attributes that Ali did. So it's pretty obvious that Ali would have fared better.

How hard is that to understand?

You could have 2 fighters of the same size, and one could struggle, whilst the other one could flourish. Why? Because at the end of the day, skills and style are more important than just size.

Stop comparing the sizes of the fighters, and focus on their actual attributes.

A peak version of Mike Tyson would wreak havoc in today's division.


After reading your nonsense, I can only assume that you are also trolling.

 

The Chambers comparison deserves to be challenged and SRR to Mora likewise but there have been plenty of posts which never made anything like these types of claims which the likes of yourselves dismissed all the same. Why you think I should be making threads like that I don't know but I assure you I don't share those views.

If this has been done to death and you are tired of it then why are you posting still in this thread. I am interested in Ali vs … because like I mentioned I think he is overrated, not that he is not great and not that I am sure one way or the other on how Ali fares against the best SHWs of the last couple decades. You claim I "really, really hate" Ali's successes but you don't know me apart from that I favour Joshua vs Ali and in general maybe you have read posts where I view size as a factor more than most, I have nothing against Ali whatsoever, you just came to that conclusion because I don't share your own opinion of how much success he would have against bigger heavies and nothing more. I have no interest in getting into personal insults with strangers over boxing opinion, especially when the likes of yourself can't separate your emotions from the fighter in question, a not uncommon occurrence whenever Ali is being discussed.

 

I agree with some of this and some not so much. Size, ability and style are the 3 main considerations for me when judging H2H match ups and probably in that order of importance but it is difficult to gauge.
I actually would give Ali (and others) much better chances against the SHW cream if someone like Usyk went up and beat Joshua, even though Usyk and Ali are very different.

Loudon, is there any HWs you favour over Ali H2H and if so could you list them with approximate chances?