People who think Ali would be able to compete with the tall-superheavyweights

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Haha !
Yeah there are many people on this forum who clearly think they can make reasons based on their own logic about boxing, yet they have no experience in boxing!

Thankfully there are still a good number of posters I enjoy reading and discussing with

 

The truth is that the mods need to ban your ass for stupidity.

 

Emoticons doesn't change the fact that your boy got delivered by a fighter with 7 wins and we're meant to pretend that current gen fighters wouldn't stand a chance against him.

 

Ali was never knocked out stupid , let alone knocked out with body shots. What you just posted proves beyond any doubt that ydksab.

 

Ali isn't boxing, you scrounge. The fact is he wouldn't be able to live with today's heavies, he was getting worked and knocked down by bums.

 

All the tall boxers are too slow to catch Ali.

 

Huh?

 

What part of ''Ali was getting knocked down by bums'' don't you understand?

The heavies of today would have made Ali bleed!

 

You said he was knocked out by body shots.

 

Ali had one of toughest mid-sections in history, guys like Foreman, Frazier and Norton wailing away at it relentless with no ill effect. Yet you think Chisora would hurt him to the body? Take a day off.

 

Yes an error which you rightly corrected while adding that it meant I had no knowledge of boxing. To which I stated that knowing everything about this overrated fraud isn't a prerequisite to possessing knowledge of the sport.

People like you need to stop worshipping Ali as if he was some omnipotent God who created boxing.

 

I honestly think a lot of people judge Ali post thrilla in manilla, 1975 onwards.

People who have never seen boxing, see him getting beat by the likes of Leon Spinks and then judge him.

Ali was a shadow of the fighter he was between 1964-1967, where he looked unbeatable. 1970 onwards he slowed, but still had the skillet and mental toughness to defeat any fighter in the world. Those wars in the 70s against Norton, Frazier, Foreman, Shavers etc took a lot out of the man along with the hundreds and hundreds of punishing sparring sessions.

Near the end he was fighting because of the name, the brand, the draw that he was in world sport. Ali was well on the decline and frankly should not have been fighting.

Don't judge him in this period of his life when comparing him to the boxers.

 

Yes he is overrated. He would be a great cruiser today and he would make a good Heavyweight, just like Chambers, Cunningham, Adamek, Byrd, Haye, Holyfield, and in soon also most certainly - Alexander Uzyk.

The list of good tweeners between the divisions goes on and on.

"Natural born Heavis" moves directly from Superheavyweight to Heavyweight when turning pro.

Of course I have a link for you my man: [url]http://www.heavyweightblog.com/3369/vitali-klitschko-outsizes-opponents[/url]

I also recommend reading the whole site, its a goldmine!

 

I'm not trolling anything. I just believe in weight classes and evolvement of the sport.

When I see Ali I see many great attributes (and even some for our time)

With great attributes I mean talents and skills.

ALi's talets are many, just to name a few: Reaction time, Explosiveness, Stamina, Punch resistance, Height, Reach, Weight, Strength, Determination.

And with those talents he crafted them to skills in the ring.

He developed timing, he developed his famous and superfast 1-2 or just his counter/leading 2 for example..

Ali could work his magic thanks to his natural abilities but also enivroment.


If we now take the list of talents and checking it against our modern standard we have to redifine those talents:

Reaction Time - CHECK!
Explosiveness - CHECK!
Stamina - CHECK!
Punch Resistance - DENIED! (Not against SHW's)
Height - DENIED! (---)
Reach - DENIED! (---)
Weight - DENIED! (---)
Strength - DENIED! (---)
Determination - CHECKED!

Now we see that some of his talents of the time wouldnt have been talents today.

He wouldnt thrive with those pre modern abilities.

First thing: he must move up in weight from his young pre prison days when he balanced at cruiserweight 188-214 pounds.

Heavier Ali didnt have the same footspeed or stamina (regarding movement) as the younger version. But it was still good. It depends of how much he would have to gain in weight. I would like to see a 230 pound+ Ali to be competitive today.

He did lack natural punching power - even by the old outdated standards from his own era(!*)

If David Haye could take on the pounds, I'm more than sure Ali aswell would take on the armor, helmet, shield and sword going for battle.

But with greater size goes greater speed... It's a fine balance. If he's gonna make an impact in our time he would need his sword and shield against the dragons who rules it.

This speed simply wouldn't keep up as a 230 pounder: [url]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XcTDt6_D4NE/U-MRrT_xhnI/AAAAAAAAHF8/OyeddaMsVGw/s1600/MuhammadAliXBrianLondon-05b-R3-KO-400-sg.gif[/url]

He would need to plant his feet and fighting from the guard alot more.

Thats simply what you need to do when you can't live on your size and/or speed. Even Chris Byrd had to fight from his guard but still lost every single round to Wladimir Klitschko - the event also packed with some knockdowns in the mix.



In modern times we've seen Vitali Klitschko, Tyson Fury and Hughie Fury been able to jab from the hips and move away from danger - All Because of Size, chin and speed...

Thats basically what Ali did in his era. This guys are basically our Ali's of today.

- "Yeah but they look clumsy and horrible by doing so" ...

A small guy will always be better at doing tricks and have full control of the body etc. Gymnastics and so on. The same pattern is pretty obvious everywere...

Thats just how it works. Wladimir Klitschko and Anthony Joshua would look like stiff amateurs if they were fighting in welterweight.

But in the end the bigger guy will kick the smaller guys ass either way.

Ali would not have the same Size and chin in this era and he would also need to sacrifice some speed for gaining some weight. Also some stamina would fade due to the heavier body needed for absorbing punishment.

But a heavier body would also gain in some stamina on the competition regarding clinching - a big part of the modern Super Heavyweight division.

Ali's stamina will get more tested. But I think he would pass the stamina test even today.

So still:

Stamina - CHECKED

If Ali then worked his body like a pro he could also get passed the strength test.


Now all of a sudden, we have a completely new and alien product on a completely new makret.

"Ali 2000 edition"

A 6"2 guy with no punch power. That's how I see Ali vs today.

Don't get me wrong: I still like Ali as a boxer.

I like what he managed to do in his time.

He helped the sport evolve.

Ali was a pioneer product of the old market.

He saw Sugar Ray Robinson and translated it for heavier boxing.

He made room for new and better designed models to keep on perfecting the new developed system that he brought in - creds for that.

He simply wouldn't be a pioneer today.

Newer models took some pieces of Ali and optimized it for even more heavier boxing.

As of today Ali would have been obsolete in terms of ruling the market as the finnished product he once were. But I'm not saying that version would be a completely useless product either.

The best thing to do is to take the raw material redesign and optimize it for modern use.

I'm thinking that a better and redefined version of Ali might crack top 30.


But here is the most important message: as a Cruiserweight all of Ali's skills and talents would still hold up - even today - Because of the same enviroment in terms of competition. It couldn't be more simple than that...


If you call me a troll for bringing in facts. I would call you an Idol Worshipper.

It's really sick on this forum that you can't research some basic facts without being called a troll or idiot.

Even the simple concept of weight classes gets thrown out of the window as soon someone even dares to mention Ali.


Just Whicked Idol worshipping.

Open your eyes and see the world for what it is...

Please give me some facts and dont get ready for yet another blast from the past.