Fights that you believe should never have been sanctioned due to mismatch and old age

I'd say every fight that Owen Beck was in post 2010. He was on a level
of deterioration seldom seen in boxing and continually got pummeled.
And he's fought as recently as last year.

Jeff Lacy is another guy that should never approach a ring again. Younger
Jeff was known for his chin, and he literally can't even take light taps
without dancing and going "deer legged"

Some guys need to be protected from themselves.

 

Roy Jones took Lacy to school.

 

His head didn't bounce on the canvas. Someones head bounces off the canvas when they fall down hard on to their back and the back of their head hits the canvas. You don't bounce your head on the canvas when you are landing face forward. He fell foward on his left side. The first thing that hit the canvas was his left arm, cushioning the fall. His head did not bounce on the canvas at all, he landed face down with his left arm taking the brunt of the impact. Roy landed quite safely there compared to many other brutal knockouts where the head actually bounces of the canvas.

When Tarver knocked out Roy Jones, hit head bounced off the canvas. When Johnson knocked out Roy Jones, hit head bounced off the canvas hard, and that's what concussed him. Against Enzo, he fell foward and on to his side, his head did not "bounce" off the canvas. You saying that his head bounced off the canvas vs Enzo is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard anyone say. Heads bounce off canvas when their fall back on to their back and the head snaps back as they hit. You don't bounce your head off the canvas when hunched over falling on your face like Roy did vs Enzo. As far as what you're saying about "old age got the better of Roy in Round 4", completely ignoring what happened in his corner between rounds, again you're clearly ignoring what actually happened there, that something his cornerman did affected Roy Jones psyche and the way he came out in Round 4 was completely different than how he had fought the first 3 rounds. All you need to do is watch the full fight and watch what happened in between rounds 3 and 4 to see what I'm saying. So do that, see what I'm talking about before you just post a clip of the knockout just ignoring what happened in between rounds. Attention to detail much?

Should he have fought Joe Smith Jr? The guy was knocked out of a freakin ring and landed on the floor with his head ! ! But you're OK with a 51 year old getting knocked the hell out of a ring falling on to his head "he's the exception to the rule"?

"Old Age just got the better of Bernard Hopkins" I guess when he was knocked out of the ring on to his head at 51 years of age which you're fine with apparently.

Yeah, and this applies to Roy Jones too. Sometimes a brutal KO is less damaging than a sustained beating. Roy Jones hasn't taken the kind of punishment you are describing with Mosley. When Roy Jones gets hurt, it's quick, he's stopped, but then he comes to. Mosley takes blow after blow and I agree that's much worse than the kind of damage Roy Jones has taken from these quick out of nowhere knockouts. So in a way I agree that I didn't like Mosley taking that kind of beating from Canelo. Canelo's a big puncher, and I personally I am much more against Mosley continuing than Roy Jones continuing for the reasons you are describing. Roy Jones still fights intelligently and doesn't take the sort of accumulation of damaging punches that Mosley has taken. Vs Canelo and vs Pacquiao. Mosley getting that gift draw vs Mora when I thought Mora clearly outboxed him may have given him some false success who knows.

 

Yeah and meanwhile Roy Jones went nearly 10 rounds with Lebedev and earlier in the 10th round, with just under a minute left Roy had caused Lebedev to crash into the ropes and Roy thought he had a knockdown with the ropes holding Lebedev up. The fight was a back and forth thriller, it was heading for a split decision and with seconds remaining right at the end Lebedev finally got to Roy and got the stoppage. That was a dramatic fight and Roy came incredibly close to pulling off that upset.

Do yourself a favor and watch the entire fight and comment on how well Roy fought Lebedev. Roy fought a lot better and with more skill than Mosley did vs Canelo I Can tell you that. Roy took very little punishment due to how he fought until those final moments where Lebedev forced the stoppage.

 

I completely agree, I don't like saying it but I am actually surprised he hasn't been seriously injured.

 

People are being too soft, if you pass your medical at mid 40's then I have no problem with you fighting. All of these guys are grown men, they can make their own decisions.

 

Classic case ...........
Ali - Holmes Ali was already suffering the effects of Parkinsons. Ferdie Pacheco knew it he tried to stop it happening
As for the Berbick debacle No comment No one cared about Ali's health just $$$$$$

 

As a body makes contact with the canvas, the canvas is going to give a little bit, and there’s always gonna be a slight bounce to it. Not as much as a Wrestling ring, but you’re always going to get a slight bounce on a knockdown like that. But that said, Roy’s head itself didn’t bounce off the canvas any more than the rest of the body did. He landed mostly on his arm, stomach, and face, falling face down your head doesn’t bounce off the canvas like it does when you are falling on your back. It doesn’t have that snapping action that occurs when you fall on your back. The face itself absorbs a lot of the bounce, when you’re falling on your back it’s more dangerous to the head because the back of the head has more distance to travel and it hits the canvas with some force.

You’re trying to act like Roy’s “face” bounced off the canvas as he landed face first. I mean come on man, your sounding stupid trying to make this argument. Obviously his whole body “bounced” slightly but he didn’t land particularly hard. He fell forward and landed relatively softly. It was mild compared to his knockouts at the hands of Tarver and especially Glen Johnson.

Here you are changing the subject, I was explaining what a head bouncing off the canvas looks like. His head bounced off the canvas vs Tarver and vs Johnson, of course that was a long time ago, and since then he’s had many outstanding performances, like vs Lacy, so I think there’s something to be said about overcoming knockouts like that which many can’t do.

I will agree that the Johnson knockout in particular was the scariest out of them all. It occurred later in the fight than the Tarver knockout and his head truly “bounced off the canvas” hard in that Johnson knockout. You’re not going to get an argument for me that the Johnson knockout wasn’t bad. I thought it was the scariest out of them all because of how late in the fight it was and how hard the back of his head actually bounced off the canvas. I think it’s clear that the Johnson knockout was certainly the biggest wake-up call out of them all for Roy.

The Green stoppage was hugely controversial, Roy didn’t seem to be in any trouble whatsoever and the ref stopped it in Round 1. None of the 4 real knockouts he’s suffered are good don’t get more wrong, each time I was concerned for him, but lets not exaggerate them and make them something they are not. And more important, I suggest you also weigh those stoppages vs the rest of those fights where he was doing well before he got stopped.

First of all, you’re contradicting yourself. First you say “Sometimes a brutal ko is less damaging than a sustained beating.” then you say “those KO’s are just as damaging as sustained beatings”. Well which is it? LMAO.

Again the only concussive KO Roy really had was the Johnson KO. The concussions occur specifically from the head hitting the canvas hard while falling on your back like what happened vs Johnson. Vs Lebedev and vs Enzo, he seemed to be hit with a punch that put him out while he was still on his feet and he fell forward hunched over both times. I’m not saying that those were good ways to get knocked out, but it wasn’t like he was seriously concussed like he was vs Johnson. Vs Enzo he was hit behind the ear which obviously put him out, he fell down and was moving his legs, and he seemed to be fully aware of what just happened. Those kind of punches don’t do anywhere near the sort of damage you were talking about with Mosley or even a knockdown where you fall back hard and his head hits the back of the mat hard like he had vs Johnson.

You’re last statement about how he’s being pressured by fans like myself to continue is just preposterous. 99.9% of fans seem to want Roy to retire, personally I’m conflicted and I’m not in any way urging Roy to continue. I agree with what you said about Mosley, I’m just trying to keep things in perspective and providing some much needed nuance to discussions surrounding Roy Jones Jr’s career. There’s really no such thing as a competitive beat down. Generally either a fight is a one sided beat down or it’s competitive. Roy was far more competitive vs Lebedev and Enzo before he was stopped than Mosley was vs Pacquiao and Canelo. Mosley also suffered more damage in those fights than Roy suffered. It’s because Mosley has a better chin than Roy. However Roy is more skilled than Mosley, in terms of his ability to be elusive and land big punches. Roy will go down from certain punches, punches that Mosley will just absorb and walk through.

Sometimes it’s better to just get knocked out out of nowhere than to take a cumulative beating over 12 rounds like Mosley did vs Pacquiao and vs Canelo. You made this point first, before you contradicted yourself by saying Roy’s KO losses were actually worse than Mosley’s 12 round beatings.

 

Great idea Seph!!! Wheel chair boxing!!! You truely are a genius!

 

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