Ray Robinson lost 2 years in the Army. Why does nobody talk about this?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    No it's not. I really don't understand why people ignore Robinson's lost years, but they remember Ali's. I don't understand the double standard here.
     
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  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    That's not a double standard. Robinsons war was legit. Many didn't think that we had to go to Vietnam.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You missed the point of the thread. People assume that Ali's layoff affected his boxing. Well Robinson had a multi year layoff as well. Didn't that hurt his career as well?
     
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  4. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Blizzy turns another thread into a trollfest... Congratulations
     
    Dfaulds, Jul 26, 2017
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  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    In the aftermath it was viewed as unneccesary. At time the Vietnamese were seen as a very real threat to American security and Ali wanted nothing to do with protecting the country that helped make him the legend he is.
     
    Sephiroth Rising 7, Jul 26, 2017
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  6. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    You're trying so hard but when you lack a fundamental education you write the above. Lol
     
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  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Hahahahahaaaa! This must be the most ironic message that has ever been typed on this forum.

    Blizzy talking about education while butchering his own sentence :lol:
     
    Sephiroth Rising 7, Jul 26, 2017
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  8. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Any layoff hurts any fighter. It took Ali a while longer to get back on track. Ali gave up prime years (3 years 7 months) 67'-70'. Robinson gave up 15 months at the age of 22 or 23 I could be wrong. He didn't even hit his prime yet.
     
    BlizzyBlizz, Jul 26, 2017
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  9. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So what?
     
    thesmokingm, Jul 26, 2017
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  10. Thread Stealer

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    Joe Louis lost his best years due to WW2 also, and the government stole his money.

    If not for WW2, who knows, Louis could have had 35 title defenses.

    Titles were frozen during WW2 and that also hurt other fighters' title chances.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Everybody ignores Louis' service as well. Who knows how many defenses he could have had without WWII. But everybody only remembers Ali's layoff. But everybody saw it, Frazier "kicked his ass".
     
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  12. Thread Stealer

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    Joe Louis doesn't get enough credit for a lot of things I feel he should get. Jackie Robinson gets all the credit for breaking the color barrier in MLB, but Louis had preceded him in being HW champ after black HWs were all but barred from challenging for the HW title after Jack Johnson. Louis got America's support when he rematched Max Schmeling, whom (unfairly) represented Nazi Germany.

    Robinson beat up a racist military sergaent and was court marshaled. The story goes, Louis used his "influence" (money) to get Robinson out of that mess.

    Louis donated his purses to the war effort. What was the thanks he got? They charged him with fraud and stole his money.
     
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  13. Clinton

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    Joe won outright but it was no ass kicking. Did you see the fight?
     
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  14. Clinton

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    Thanks, TS! Cheers
     
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  15. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    As you stated Sugar trained & boxed in the . Joe Louis was used a figure head boxing exhibitions etc. Ali was BANNED from boxing
     
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