KLITSCHKO'S IN THE 70 S, DO THEY GET PAST THE Big 3?

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I wouldn't call Lamon Brewster or Corrie Sanders "barely club fighters" and I don't really care if you believe Norton never lost to Ali, Ali doesn't Punch like Wlad and he's not 6'6 245lbs. Norton lost to Cooney, Shavers, and Foreman all inside 2 rounds. Wlad would win.
Wlad's issues outside of Sanders were stamina based an issue he corrected to the detriment of exciting boxing leading to an 11 year unbeaten run. Making the most title defenses in the division's history and having the second longest reign in history. It's foolhardy to claim 3 guys who fought 40 years over easily dismiss him. As for Wlad's best wins, I'd probably go Povetkin, Byrd, Haye, Chagaev, Peter, off top of my head. He also dismantled big men like Derrick Jefferson, Jameel McCline, Mariusz Wach, just to name a few.
I'll agree to disagree with you on the subject. Again when you match great fighters I don't think there is right or wrongs just diferences of opinion.

 

I think they do. If Norton did ok in this era, the Klitchkos would with that size. WHo is going to beat them easily? I think size was the Klitchko's advantage. Without it, I think they were rather ordinary and straight up.. but they have great resumes regardless

 

Lol and this proves what? That Foreman got out boxed by a guy? I would rather be out boxed than get knocekd out in 4 minutes by Corrie Sanders.

 

You know there were numerous 6'5 or so guys in this era right? They just got their butts whipped. You know Corrie Sanders, Lamon Brewster, and Ross Purrity are Ken Norton size right?

 

It proves he got knocked down and lost to a sub 200 pounder witha 20% power stat...it also proves only imbeciles think Wlad against anyone in the 70's is going to be an under dog...GTFO....lol

Wlads ram rod jab would do him in. The real point here is Foreman had poor stamina and defense enough to let Wlad tee off on him without worrying about his own stamina. Youngs plan of hold and hit is exactl;y what Wlad would do also ...except Wlad isnt 205 pounds.

 

Vitali will struggle more imo.

George will walk through him, Ali and Young will frustrate and beffuddle him. I think he beats Frazier but it isn't a guarantee.

Wlad on the other hand fares a lot better. Ali beats him from range like Fury did (he isn't as long but he's a lot quicker). George however doesn't walk through him like I once believed. I saw Wlad stand toe to toe with Joshua and come within a cat's pube of stopping him. I think he does the job with the lesser conditioned Foreman and knocks him out. Frazier never gets anywhere near him. Young will never gets near him.

So against Ali, Young, Foreman and Frazier I see Vitali going 1-3. I see Wlad going 3-1.

 

Touching story. Jimmy Young weighed 220 pounds. that is sub 200 pounds to you? Based on that logic Vitali quit against a sub 200 pounder in Chris Byrd. Wladmir was knocked down with one punch by Steve Panell who actually started his career weighed 173.

So maybe you should go back to watching Transformers and other cartoons little kid. Clealry boxing is way too much for you to handle right now.

Yep Foreman had poor stamina because he got tired once. Amazing since Wlad got gassed out against Purrity and Brewster and knocked out by them. I guess that means Wlad has even worse stamina but to morons like you he has great stamina right?

Maybe Wlad should of jabbed Corrie Sanders more. Then he wouldn't have been knocked out in 4 minutes by a slightly above average fighter.

 

Lol Wlad went to to toe with AJ? He was knocked out. Also who cares? Wlad was knocked out in 4 minutes by Corrie Sanders. Just because it took AJ longer doens't prove how great Wlad is. It proves how crappy AJ is. Nobody chin gets better with age. Any fighter who pressures Wlad he folds. Foreman would walk right through him.

Again Foreman has less condition? Why? Because he got tired in 1 fight? How stupid can people like you be? Wlad got tired in many of his fights. He lost to Purrity and Brewster because of fatigue. Hell Joshua was tired by the 4th round and so was Wlad. But Foreman gets tired in 1 fight and you keep bringing it up over and over?

 

not if they focused on using a jab and having skills and experience. If they do that, they will beat the smaller guys. I don't mean guys like Mike White or whatever that guy was.. Who was knocked out by Moorer. The guys now are bigger and have built skills around the size.

 

Lol I mean world class fighters like Al Jones and Leroy Jones. People like you just assume every fighter today is 6'6 and every fighter back then was short. Which is funny since there is a weight class not a height class. But anyway with the exception of Joe Frazier and Jerry Quarry, every champion or contender doing that era was 6'2 to 6'6.

So they guys now aren't bigger. They are the same size with way less skill. Boxing was huge back then so tons of guys who had world class skilled entered. Most top level athletes in the USA choose to play basketball and football. So boxing has become a joke. Especially the heavyweight division.

Also little kid. You know the first 3 guys who iced out Wladmir Klitscko were Foreman height and weight or smaller right? You know Tyson Fury a 6'8 260 pound fighter was almost knocked out with 1 punch by 6'3 190 pound light punching Steve Cunningham right? You know Anthony Joshua was knocked out by 6'0 205 pound Mihai Nistor right? Maybe you should get a grown person who knows boxing to explain this stuff to you.

 

Yes Wlad went toe to toe with AJ.

I watched the fight, therefore it's me who cares.

I saw the Sanders fight also, did anyone in the 70s fight like Sanders?

I wouldn't describe Joshua as crappy.

How did Foreman's get better then?

Why didn't he fold when Peter pressures him?

Yes.

Because he gassed against Ali and Young and only on his second career did he deal with the pace issues he had.

Who are people like me?

You said many and then listed two.

How have I brought it up over and over? I've only posted once in this thread.

 

Lol do you know what to toe to is? Did you get into your moms crack today? Wlad was afraid to be punched and so was AJ.

Foreman chin was always great. Ali sent him down from fatigue not power. Wlad was destroyed in 4 minutes. It has nothing to do with stamina in that fight.

But Wlad got tired in far more fights than Foreman did.

Lol did anybody from the 70's fight like Sanders? You know Sanders a bum fight? Besides Wlad who else did he beat? Nobody. The point is he was aggressive and Wland couldn't handle it. He landed a few decent punches and knocked Wlad out. If you think Foreman wouldn't do the same thing as I said stay out of your moms crack.

Peter was a bum. A short fat bum. People was hoping he was something special but he never was. He took Wlad's best punches over and over. Even though Peter was almost knocked out by Jamal McCline a few fights before. Peter had no talent. No jab or anything else. He just came forward and still was able to knock Wlad down 3 times. Neither of the punches were flush either.

Do you know what a heat stroke is? Foreman suffered that against Jimmy Young. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_stroke[/url] Learn before you make stupid statements kid. Suffering a heat stroke has nothing to do with being in poor shape. Also little kid as I said Wladmir Klistchko got tired against Ross Purritty and Lamon Brewster and got stopped because of it. Both Wlad and AJ were puffing after 4 rounds. But of course that means Wlad has great stamina right?

Dumb boxing people like you are the reason I stopped watching the sport for years. I didn't want to deal with idiots who didn't know what the hell they are talking about. You just repeat the same stupid crap over and over. Not smart enough to read and find out information on your own.

Even when George Foreman lost to Jimmy Young you know Gil Clancy wanted him to come to Puerto Rico a week before hand to get used to the humidity yet Foreman came 2 days before hand right? You know according to Gil he constantly told Foreman to knock out Young and stop toying with him. Yet Foreman ignored him and continue to listen to one of his "Friends" who wasn't part of his corner. You know Gil eventually threw this guy out of the corner and told Foreman to be serious. Foreman almost knocked out Young the same round right?

You know most people think Jimmy Young beat Ali and Shavers their second fight. So Young would of had wins over Ali, Lyle 2 times, Foreman, Shavers, and possibly Norton right? That is better than being knocked out by Ross Purrity who never did anything else besides have a draw with Tommy Morrison.

You are also European. So why would I even waste my time typing to something like you. Of course you are going to biased for any fighter who is European like you.

 

Its actually an interesting debate. One thats hard to come up with a definate answer for. Probably because the heavyweight game changed so much over the years. I d say the 70,s guys we,re a lot more skilled. I d say the 80,s guys as well. We,re much more rounded fighters anyway. Could do a lot more. The klitchkos under steward we,re more efficient tho. They also we,re a good bit bigger and played to their strengths. Its like steward broke the game with the klitchko,s. He over thought tactics so much he ended up with reigning champions but champions that very few people wanted to see.

I m assuming with george and say wlad we,re talking about at their best which would be wlad under steward and george on his run up to ali. Its a tough one...but i know that george would have to adapt to beat the klitchkos. Walking up in straight lines trying to bang them up would just lead to them jabbing on the back foot. Even frazier needed to get inside to really be effective. I m not sure he would have got their with the klitchkos. What i will say tho is 60,s ali would have got the job done. He would have broke that defence down. The klitchkos we,re good against pretty limited opponents. The thing is looking back foremann and frazier we,re actually limited its just that what they we,re so good at made them tremendous fighters. But ali had no limit in the sixties...he could pretty much do it all. I actually think he,d have beat them any which way. I also think he,d have won the battle of the jabs even giving away height reach and the klitchkos having one of the hardest jabs to get past. Ali at his best...no one could deal with his jab even more so than the klitchkos..because unlike everyone...he never really had a set pattern with his jab. There was nothing predictable about it. He was either feignting...dancing...using lateral movement with it...on the move with it any which way. And when the klitchkos lose the battle of the jab they start to lose the war. Still think george would win as well if he adapted his footwork. And tried to bang them out. Not sure frazier would get much luck though was always best when he got inside. Not easy to work inside with the klitchkos with the size disadvantage.