1974 George Foreman vs 2017 Anthony Joshua: Does Foreman make it to the finish line

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  1. superman1986

    superman1986 Active Member banned Full Member

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    To be honest, I think I might have to go with AJ. He'd be about 3 inches taller, 20 pounds heavier and with his style (not to mention, physique) is like a more dynamic and faster Frank Bruno. I'd give Foreman the edge in power, but he also had the edge in power over Lyle and that was a very close call.

    I think AJ may take a knockdown early, but I see him stopping Foreman mid to late rounds.

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  2. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You gravitate right to size and weight again? Meaningless in this fight.

    Foreman by far the greater technical fighter. It's a seasoned pro true heavyweight champion vs a ....contender not very far removed from the amateur ranks.

    Foreman has the advantage in every technical category. From Jab to footwork.

    Foreman early within five rounds in a one sided smashing.
     
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    Size is only 1 advantage. AJ is clearly the better technician and better combination puncher and he did beat a long reigning champion by stoppage. The version of Wlad Klitchsko he beat was at least equal to the version of Fraizer that Foreman beat.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

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    Foreman would take him out early for mine.
     
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    Sonny,

    Green AJ went life and death with a shot to shid WK who was never that good to begin with except stinking the joint out for a decade and you want him to be in with 73 Foreman ? AJ is stiff as a board , has no head movement, does not set up his shots with a jab, has a mediocre chin and sub par stamina........if Grandpa WK has him down Foreman has him out for the count. Fact.
    Insert Foreman instead of AJ against WK and WK is ko'ed within 3 and I am being generous.

    WK is completely done, he timing is shot, he cant pull the trigger, he pushes the jab and has no snap in his punches, his stamina is terrible and he never had a good chin from the beginning. Liston, Foreman, Tyson, Lewis and Bowe would have ko'ed that shell senseless without any fuss and Ali, Holmes and Holyfield would whitewashed the cards or stop him late, another fact.

    One more time , WK is done, actually for some time now, stick a fork in him, so beating that 42 year old version means jack.
     
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  6. superman1986

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    Early? I can see AJ having some difficult moments, but he did take Wlad's power which is no small potatoes.

    And, the first man who was approximately Foreman's size who could punch that he ran up against, Ron Lyle, he was lucky Lyle gassed out first. AJ has quicker hands than Lyle, better combinations, technical skills that in addition to being taller and about 25 pounds heavier. However you slice it, Wlad, even the version AJ beat was still a superior opponent to Lyle.

    Now one may say that Foreman wasn't mentally at his best and there might be truth to that. On the other hand, that was the only puncher we witnessed him against who could match his size and strength and I'm not convinced that Lyle is an easy win for any version of Foreman.

    I think to automatically write off AJ is just being nostalgic. Especially when one considers the advantages he had over what was arguably a 70's Foreman toughest win.
     
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  7. sauhund II

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    Who the hell did WK ever take out with that "power" ? Nobody of any note and against any threat he did not let his hands go because of his china chin and employed jab and grab for a decade........there is a reason he could not sell his fights in the US most of the time because he stunk the joint out even against C level opposition a la Mormeck....
     
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    How many KO's does Wlad own? I'm not trying to get into who beat what better opponent when they all beat top rated fighters, but there's criticism to go around for a 70's Foreman's KO's as well. It's just that we all like Foreman and not Wlad so it's blasphemy to criticize Foreman's KOs.
     
  9. Perry

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    You are very easily impressed. AJ has not proved himself to be anything aside from inexperienced. Foreman was an ATG fighter and a ATG worlds hwt champion. Much higher pedigree.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    AJ's been on the block 5 minutes and it's a sin to take proven ATG's over him. I'm not overly sold on Wlad and even less so of the ancient version coming off a loss with loads of inactivity to boot. AJ was extremely close to losing. I'll watch him from here on, he has great potential. Hopefully a nice diet of tough competition brings him on to being something pretty special.

    Basing the entire fight on Foreman's effort vs Lyle is extremely short sighted.

    I'm not concerned with post Ali Foreman, he lost his marbles for some time, second guessed his style, etc. I'll take the version that fought Frazier, Norton and Ali to put AJ to sleep.
     
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    Foreman while unproven ko'ed Frazier who was held in high esteem because he beat Ali and was overall "smoking".

    Foreman bounced him around like a rag doll.........while WK would have labored for a decision win and play it safe....Foreman blew out top rated Norton pretty much right out of the gate while WK went on a track meet with the Heavyweight fraud Davis Haye.....you get my drift?

    Foreman, win or loose will come out to take your head off while WK has panic attacks when he gets hit.

    Watch Wk against caveman Sam Peter....and that was prime WK......if you have to pull out all the stops to beat that kind of extremely limited fighter you are doomed against Foreman.
     
  12. Perry

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    The Foreman Lyle fought was not 1974 Foreman. The Foreman Lyle fought was probably the worst prime Foreman as he was coming off a 15 month layoff.
     
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    Well maybe Wlad beats Foreman, maybe he doesn't. But to write off a quick, technically skilled puncher that's bigger than a 70s Foreman with faster and more accurate hands to boot is insane.

    The only and I mean only reason I don't for sure pick AJ over Foreman is the question of AJ's chin. But stick Holyfield's chin on AJ and I'd pick him everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Now I may not pick AJ over Evander, not today anyway.

    And, speaking of unproven, remember that right now at this moment, AJ would be more proven to best a 70s Foreman than Foreman was going into 1973 when he beat Fraizer.
     
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    Foreman destroys him within 4.
     
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    Seems like im a lone wolf in here.