Prime Muhammed Ali vs Prime Jim jeffries

It all depends on conditions. If it's a 15 rounder fought in 1966 under 1966 rules and conditions you must pick Ali.

If the bout is held in 1900 under 1900 conditions and rules scheduled for 25 rounds then things could get interesting.

 

Jeffries had a further 32 rounds of competition before he retired how much improvement to you suppose that afforded him?
Was Corbett who hadn't fought for a year and a half, who hadn't won a fight for six and a half years, in his prime?
As far as I'm concerned you can pick whatever Jeffries you want,he gets crucified here!

 

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Jim Corbett only had

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when he fought the great Sullivan

Total record

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9-0-2 John L. Sullivan KO 21, 1:30 1892-09-07 Olympic Club, New Orleans, Louisiana Won World Heavyweight Title

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10-0-2 Charley Mitchell KO 3 1894-01-25 Duvall Athletic CLub, Jacksonville, Florida Retained World Heavyweight Title

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10-0-3 Tom Sharkey PTS 4 (4) 1896-06-24 Mechanic's Pavilion, San Francisco,California

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10-1-3 Bob Fitzsimmons KO 14 1897-03-17 The Race Track Arena, Carson City,Nevada Lost World Heavyweight Title

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10-2-3 Tom Sharkey DQ 9 (20) 1900-05-11 Lenox A.C., New York, New York

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10-3-3 James J. Jeffries KO 23 (25), 2:11 1900-05-11 Seaside A.C., Coney Island, New York For World Heavyweight Title

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11-3-3 Kid McCoy KO 5 (25) 1900-08-30 Madison Square Garden, New York, New York

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11-4-3 James J. Jeffries TKO 10 (20) 1903-08-14 Mechanic's Pavilion, San Francisco,California For World Heavyweight Title

 

Strange that you should ask about being related based on an evaluation that contradicts yours. Couldn't the same question be asked concerning your preferences?

 

Well it is not based off the contradiction.....it is actually based a defend Jeff at all costs even though it was Jeff who had every single advantage over these guys......I posted Corbett's record as an example of him being really no less experienced than Corbett but Jeff always gets the excuse never the small old or washed up guys he fought they get no pass

 

Jeffries would get destroyed, and frankly, I'd hope they ref steps in to stop the fight before Jeffries is seriously hurt.

 

No, it really doesn't.

 

Lets look at what we know.

The contemporary opinion seems to have been that he improved significantly after the first Corbett fight.

We know that he changed his style significantly after this fight, which presumably he did because it afforded him some improvement.

It would be rather unusual for such a relatively inexperienced champion not to improve for a further three years fighting at world level, if he were not outside his physical prime.

This was clearly not a prime Jeffries, for whatever that is worth.

 

There is a difference between an excuse and a statement of fact.

If I say that Jeffries injured his left arm in training for the second Sharkey fight, that is not an excuse, it is merely a statement of fact.

If I say that Jeffries was not in his prime for the first Corbett fight, that is my opinion, but it is the one that is most consistent with the known facts.

No, it is what survives of his record.

We don't know what his actual record was.

 

He fought another 32 rounds that's it.Two years after the Corbett fight he defended against a near 40 years old Fitzsimmons.Fitz was described as hitting him when and where he liked,and , Jeffries only winning because he was 12 years younger and so much heavier! Where was the improvement there?

 

If I say Sharkey was fighting Jeffries with a dislocated arm, a broken finger, and a fractured rib that is the truth too!
Adam Pollack is renowned for the industrious painstaking research he does on his books,if he couldn't find any more fights on a worlds heavyweight champions record, then I think it is safe to say there aren't any to find!

 

The improvement was that he caught Fitzsimmons and finished him in eight rounds.

He was employing much more effective pressure than in his earlier fights.

He probably continued to improve right up to the Munro fight to be honest.

 

But not that they were never there.

The bottom line is that we don't know these fighters records, and we should not pretend that we do.

 

Oh please ! Get in the real world! Fitz beat him up! He broke his nose cut him above both eyes and generally punched him around!Then his already damaged hands went on him. Jeffries had a much easier fight with the 37 years old Fitzsimmons 2 years earlier!

Read the fight reports for God's sake!
You are embarrassing yourself with this constant and unremitting apologism.
Fitz had been retired for two years when he did this to Jeffries!
"Jeffries had reason to be confident. The much bigger man, he outweighed Fitzsimmons by more than forty pounds. Despite this, Fitzsimmons took the fight to the champion in the early rounds and inflicted a vicious battering. As early as the second, Jeffries was bleeding from the challenger’s sharp punches, which soon broke Jeffries's nose and opened deep cuts around both eyes. But Jeffries was nothing if not tough, and he waited patiently for his opportunity to strike back.

It came in the eighth round. After several blistering exchanges, Fitzsimmons inexplicably paused, lowered his guard, and spoke to Jeffries, taunting him. The champion’s response was a hard right to the belly followed by a thunderous left hook that put Fitzsimmons on the floor and ended the fight."

 

I have read enough of the reports to know that you are being somewhat selective in your quotes.

The Sanfrancisco Examiner wrote:

"The champion took it all with bulldog courage, and landed the more internally damaging blows, particularly to the body. Fitz was the superior boxer, , but Jeffries applied determined pressure, looking to land knockout blows, until finally he landed one fearful punch".

George Siller wrote:

"Jeffries forced a fast pace and when he got Fitzsimmons to the ropes he hit the body hard".

The bottom line is that Fitzsimmons fought a mobile fight jabbing and moving, and Jeffries beat him with a sustained body attack.