Prime Muhammed Ali vs Prime Jim jeffries

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Jeff was close to two inches taller than Chuvalo and had five inches in reach and ten pounds in weight. He had close to three inches in height, three inches in reach and fifteen pounds in weight. That is bigger.

 

Which historians? Which evidence?

 

Which historians? Which evidence?

Jeffries was measured at six feet even. Chuvalo's tale of the tape taken for his first fight with Ali.
Height 6.0"
Reach 76" [ 0.52 shorter than Jeffries]
Chest 46"
Exp 48"
Bicep 15"
Forearm 13"
Wrist 12"
Calf 14.5"
Ankle10"
Jeffries weight for his 7 major fights.
Johnson 227lbs
Corbett1st 218lbs
Corbett2nd 210lbs
Sharkey2nd 210lbs
Ruhlin2nd 218lbs
Fitz1st 206lbs
Fitz 2nd 219lbs
Average weight 214lbs


Chuvalo's
Terrell 209lbs
Bonavena 215lbs
Frazier 217lbs
Ali 1st 216lbs
Ali2nd 221lbs
Quarry 217lbs
Ellis 218.5lbs

Average weight 214lbs.
So near replicas!

 

There is no evidence that Fitz was allowed unusual terms concerning his handwraps if you think there is produce it!

My infomation is taken from primary sources including the next days papers , Adam's biography of Jeffries , Odd's biography of Fitzsimmons and Jeffries autobiography. I ignore nothing, I cherry pick nothing .

 

In Corbett's case I am conjecturing.

In Sullivan's case it is very reliably confirmed that a lot of his gloved title defenses were billed as exhibitions for legal reasons.

These are all questions that you will have to weigh up for yourself.

The fact that he had an injury to his left arm in the first Sharkey fight is reliably confirmed.

The xray has even been found.

You can debate whether he was a heavy hitter, but it would certainly be fair to say that he was not a great finisher.

And that is the fun of reading about this era.

You often find something completely unexpected.

 

It is reliably confirmed in Pollacks book that Sharkey dislocated his arm in the second Jeffries fight too!He also broke a finger and fractured a rib. Would these injuries not affect his performance also, or do they only count when Jeffries is the subject in question?

 

Jeffries was also listed far more often as 6' 1 1'2" to 6'2" .. his weight was also listed as much higher than given .. what is your point other than splitting hairs ? First excusing Ali vs Bonavena, now taking convenient selections of heights and weights to tailor to what argument ? None of it makes any difference to the fact that you hate Jeffries based on a ten year argument w Mendoza over Jeffries and Johnson and want to submarine any effort to give him status over that of a tough man contestant despite the fact that he dominated an age.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sportslongform/entry/ali-vs-chuvalo-brutality-beauty-mingled-in-truly-epic-brawl

What nobody could believe though, was how strong Chuvalo remained. As the fight worked its way into the 12th, 13th and 14th rounds, it became clear that Ali was not going to rock Chuvalo, but he was going to beat him on points, unless Chuvalo could dig deep enough to land a few sledgehammers on Ali. The slugfest defined itself. There were now two possible outcomes: Ali on points or Chuvalo with a KO.

The 14th round. Chuvalo came at Ali with an attack the legendary fight caller Don Dunphy described as “wild as a night in the Yukon.” Ali responded with punishing blows to Chuvalo’s body. With three minutes to go, they were exhausted, but both fighters were still standing.

Somewhere toward the middle of the final round, it seemed to suddenly dawn on Chuvalo: he had maybe one minute left to win or lose the whole shot. It had been an absolutely gruelling battle, but Chuvalo gathered himself, then simply erupted. Bang. Bang. Bang. Bang.

Four punishing lefts in a row, all to Ali’s jaw. Then a right, a hard one, square to Ali’s head. Dunphy shouts over the radio: "Chuvalo may have hurt Clay! Chuvalo may have hurt Clay!"

The crowd was electrified. On its feet. An upset suddenly in the air. But Chuvalo was cooked. Not an ounce left. Ali survived the final seconds. The world champ retained his title.

 

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Really .. actually he was shorter than the 5'6" Sharkey if you don't factor for angles, posture, camera placement as you clearly don't. Pretty good though. Never heard him actually referred to as 5'11".

 

Ed Morbius produced a post that showed Jeffries height being measured this ended further speculation.I don't hate Jeffries I think he was a great fighter in his time.I'm not comparing Jeffries to Chuvalo in ability, only size.Their respective measurements are very similar ,so the poster who called them near replicas in size was correct and you were not. That's my point, no hair splitting.
You got one thing right though I detest Mendoza.

 

Sharkey 5'8". I do like things correct!

 

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