RUSADA, the full story...

Lol so I'm guessing his master plan all along was to leave his wife, children, including his daughter who was about to get married, have his child hood friend and colleague assassinated and spend the rest of his life on the run. Great plan he had their must be living the high life in the US where he knows almost nobody, no family and the only friends seem to be Fogel and his lawyers.

Is he a good man, clearly not the documentary clearly shows him as a man who was very shady from the start. He doped himself as an amateur athlete, he openly worked to cheat the system from the start and some of his story doesn't completely ring true, likely exaggerated to ensure he got protection from the DOJ.

But there enough truth to his story to paint a very, very bad picture of the Russian system. But hey I'm sure you think it's all a conspiracy.

 

Because he sold his country? He sabotaged the Testing procedures? Stop assuming everything is clear as day, it isnt. What makes you think he is even honest?

 

Yes he was a criminal, for helping to dope athletes and was then made the head of the Russian doping system, how ****ing crazy is that.

 

He brought this all on himself, he is the one that acted illegally. So he put his own family in danger, what a good man.

 

So he did something without the approval of the government. This is called corruption. The Mclaren report never mentions Putin in any of this.

 

And yet they rewarded his corruption by making him the head of anti doping in Russia. Explain why Russia would take a criminal who was in prison for helping to dope athletes and put him in this position. It would be like someone taking a pedophile out of prison for molesting children and giving him a job in a school. It's ****ing nuts.

 

RUSADA is corrupt, and Rodchenkov played a hand in to their corruption. Athletes were PAYING off the drug testers, so of course there was something wrong in the system. BUT there is no evidence that Putin was involved, or that the Kremlin played a role in it. Officials were benefiting from the quick money scheme, this is all too common in many countries around the world.

 

I thought only Ivan Drago was on PEDs.

 

Too many wrong things in the McLaren Report

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-politicization-of-doping-in-sports/5582163

Here are juicy snippets from the article

"McLaren is inconsistent in his accusations against Russian athletes and knows the evidence may be weak. On page 2 he says “Over 1000 Russian athletes …. can be identified as being involved in or benefiting from manipulations to conceal positive doping tests.” On page 5 there is less certainty as he says “over 1000 Russian athletes … appear to have been involved ….” On page 20 the previous certainty is reduced even more as he says “246 athletes can be identified as potentially knowingly participating in manipulation…” (underlining added). On page 18 McLaren acknowledges the evidence may be weak as he says “the IP has not assessed the sufficiency of the evidence to prove an ADRV by any individual athlete.” (For readers unfamiliar with the acronyms, McLaren is the “Independent Person” or “IP” and “ADRV” is anti-doping rule violation)."

"Sports Federations are now confirming that McLaren’s evidence is weak. The lack of evidence is confirmed in the recent findings by different athletic federations. For example the International Biathlon Union recently evaluated McLaren’s information and cleared 22 of 29 Russians who had been implicated. Investigation of the other 7 continues. Even if all 7 are ultimately found guilty that means that 76% were not and suggests that McLaren’s accusation of 1000 complicit Russian athletes was a huge exaggeration."

"McLaren accuses Russian officials and institutions without providing evidence. On page 20 he states “The cover up and manipulation of doping control processes involved officials in the Ministry of Sport (“MofS”), CSP , and Federal Security Service (“FSB”) as well as other sport officials and coaches. Also included were both the Russian Anti-Doping Agency (“RUSADA”) and the Moscow Laboratory.” It is widely known that Rodchenkof and the Moscow Laboratory were at the center of doping violations. What is new and requires evidence are the accusations that officials from the Ministry of Sports, Security Services and RUSADA were part of a conspiracy."

 

More snippets from the article.

"McLaren smears all Russian athletes, innocent and guilty alike. On pages 46-47 he says “doping manipulation and cover up of doping control processes was institutionalized … It is unknown whether athletes knowingly or unknowingly participated in the processes involved. However they may be part of the conspiracy… Together, all of these parties were implicated parts amounting to a conspiracy….” With this logic, McLaren says all Russian athletes are guilty – whether or not they knew, whether or not they participated."

"McLaren claims that Rodchenkov followed the directions and instructions of high officials in the Ministry of Sports but provides no evidence. For example, on page 82 McLaren says “On Deputy Minister Nagornykh’s instructions, the first phase in developing the sample swapping technique was launched.” On page 83 he says “At the direction of the MofS, these athletes would collect clean urine in baby bottles, Coke bottles or similar containers and supply it to the CSP.” On page 84 he says, “By direction of Minister Mutko and Deputy Minister Nagornykh all pre-competition washout samples for testing were to be collected only ‘under the table’ in unofficial containers.” If this is true, why does McLaren not provide the evidence in the form of emails or other communication?"

"McLaren suggests without evidence that the Ministry of Sports was responsible for distributing performance enhancing drugs (“PEDs”). On page 64 he says “Centralizing and controlling distribution of PEDs to athletes became an increasingly important element of the doping control system and manipulation.” This is contradicted by the fact that Rodchenkov was previously arrested for possession and distribution of PEDs and his sister was convicted for this activity. It is contradicted by the fact the Rodchenkov and coach Melnikov received payments for the drugs and falsified tests. Many piece of evidence confirm the guilt of McLaren’s principal witness, Dr. Rodchenkov, but none give proof of collusion or direction by the Minister of Sports or another high official. In a footnote on page 68 McLaren says “it appears that athletes had to pay Coach Melnikov and Rodchenkov for positive samples to be clean.” This suggests a profit making or extortion scheme rather than state organized."

 

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Finally, I note the following: If the goal was to discover whether or not there was widespread tampering with sample bottles from one country, then it could be done by examining random sample bottles from many different countries to see if there are telltale marks from only one country. That would also be a strong indicator that the marks were from tampering and not from the incidental causes which the toolmarks expert warned of. This was evidently not done.

Conclusions

It’s clear that there were doping violations by some Russian athletes with collusion and assistance by the Moscow Laboratory Director Rodchenkov and some others. Despite McLaren’s accusations of “state sponsored doping” and an “institutional conspiracy”, he has presented little or no evidence showing this.

If there is clear evidence in the Evidence Disclosure Package, why is it not identified? What does it say about the integrity and fairness of someone in authority who makes sensational accusations which grab the headlines while knowing the evidence is weak and many of the accused may be innocent? What kind of ethics and “fair play” does this demonstrate?

It seems clear there needs to be an independent and NOT nationally-based testing authority which can implement common standards and prevent doping use, evasion and false accusations.

In closing, I appeal to the leaders of WADA and IOC to please find a way to reduce the politicization of doping in sports and resist the demands of those saying they wish to “protect clean athletes” by taking away the rights of other clean athletes based on national discrimination.
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McLaren distorts the findings of the “toolmarks expert”. On page 103 McLaren says “the forensic testing, which is based on immutable facts, is conclusive… The results of the forensic and laboratory analysis initiated by the IP establish the conspiracy that was perpetrated at the Sochi Games.” However, the toolmarks expert makes no such claims. The findings in the “Forensic Report” (EDP0902) are much more qualified:

1. McLaren asserts that “marks” on the inside of the urine sample bottle confirm tampering. However the expert does not say that. Regarding “Type 1 marks”, the expert concluded that “these marks were reproduced and found to be present after screwing the lid on forcefully”. This means that if a user over-tightened the bottle cap trying to insure no urine leakage, it would cause similar marks.
2. Regarding “Type 2 marks”, the expert found that “If there was manual manipulation of the metal ring and spring steel washer before the lids were screwed on for whatever reason, marks similar to some of the Type 2 marks were reproduced. This could for example result from fingers or cloth being used to wipe the inside of the lid to clean it.”
3. On page 22 of the “Forensic Report”, the expert concludes with the following warning: “These marks on their own should not be considered to be conclusive evidence of opening the bottles or attempts to open the bottles ….”. (underlining added). This is opposite to what McLaren claimed."

 

yes RUSADA was corrupt as was Rodchenkov that's not even up for dispute. And yes there was plenty of evidence to suggest athletes were either willingly paying to pass tests or were coerced into paying to ensure tests were clean. And yes many organisations are corrupt around the world, it's not exclusive to Russia, nobody is saying that.

And I agree the evidence that Putin was involved is thin on the ground. Though someone high up must have been involved to have the FSB at Sochi ensure things were kept quiet by guarding the testing facilities. I mean I don't expect Mi5 or the NSA to be hanging around testing facilities at London 2012 and Atlanta 96.

I find it strange you think people in the government were not involved when politicians around the world in general are some of the most corrupt people in the world. You seem to think little of the honesty and integrity of testing bodies, it's officials and elite athletes but for some reason you think politicians are squeaky clean?

 

What I am getting at is that it was not a state sponsored system, it was a money scheme type ordeal. I am sure somebody in the higher up was getting a percentage of the profit in order to keep this secret. Maybe, maybe not.

 

Shut it, Ivan Drago was the pinnacle of the human species, the drugs he took were given to him to make him weaker not stronger, he was too naturally strong the Russians had to weaken him to make it fair.

 

Even if it wasn't state sponsored as you claim, it must have involved a lot more than just one corrupt official to do what they did on the scale that they did.