RUSADA, the full story...

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  1. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    Even with all the finest steroids available in the west, Apollo Creed was no match for a roided up Drago.
     
  2. mirkofilipovic

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    Rodchenkov was inconsistent, and used hyperbole, with coercion from the American government to utilize sports as a form of asymmetric political warfare against the Russians.
     
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  3. Brighton bomber

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    What was his motivation for this, his life has turned to **** after this all came about. He seemed to have a pretty sweet life in Russia before it happened.
     
  4. mirkofilipovic

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    He is a criminal, took bribes, benefited from it, criminals have a habit of being as honest as Hillary Clinton.
     
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    But he lost all that when he decided to turn whistle blower. Yes he was a criminal, yes I don't doubt he took bribes and made money from his position. But what was his motivation to blow all that and turn whistle blower?
     
  6. mirkofilipovic

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    He is very inconsistent with his reports, failed to provide adequate evidence for most of all the vital things he has accused Russia of doing (read the article snippets I posted earlier). Somebody that was NOT in on it was probably about to discover his tricks, and as retaliation and fearing for his life fled the country. The Americans feeling a surge of serendipity used this as the opportunity to weaponize sports, by using his comments (lies/half truths) and turning it against Russia.
     
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  7. bandeedo

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    is there somewhere i can find proof of this theory of yours, or even some type of logical sequence of events that would suggest thats what happened?
     
  8. mirkofilipovic

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    Read the snippets I provided earlier, there are so many inconsistencies with the McLaren report, the things Rodchenkov provided the Canadian Lawyer were half truths, and hyperbole. Since he is practically lying and accusing the Russian government with little evidence, it is fair game to come up with something in return. After the Russians annexed the Crimean peninsula, the whole Russian PED game was taken to the next gear.
     
  9. bandeedo

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    your saying that because he sounds like a liar, its fair game to make up lies about him. how is that productive in any way?
     
  10. mirkofilipovic

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    It is fair game to come up with logical hypothetical events. Also he took bribes, the man is not benevolent or honest in anyway shape or form.
     
  11. bandeedo

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    thats why i was asking, i was trying to connect the dots logically to see what you see and figured there was more to it than "he was a criminal". i could say hes responsible for the unsolved murders in russia because hes a criminal, but wheres the logic in that?
     
  12. Brighton bomber

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    You paint an almost plausible scenario but it's not believable, there's even less evidence to suggest that this is what happened. Your argument is like the arguments used by intelligent design proponents. Because their isn't enough evidence for evolution in their eyes, creationist ideas must be true without providing any evidence of this other alternative.

    You say there isn't enough evidence to say it was state sponsored and that Rodchenkov was the mastermind or lead player behind a huge deceit which lasted for decades fooling the state, coercing the whole or most of RUSADA, the sports ministry, countless athletes and their coaching teams and WADA. Then when he was about to be found out fled to ensure he wasn't assassinated. The final part rings true but the rest seems too far fetched. Either Putin and his government are horribly inept or Russian officials in government are so corrupt to the point it might as well have been state sponsored.
     
  13. mirkofilipovic

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    According to him he fled the country because he is a whistle blower. The man himself is not trust worthy, so why should we take his word for granted? Any logical outside observer could come up with a better explanation as to what happened, the Russians who were NOT in on the bribery scandal were about to discover the bribes he took in, and thus were about to sentence him and penalize him for sabotaging the drug testing procedures, so he fled the country and cried wolf to gain sympathy points from the yanks, trying to make himself seem innocent and not a criminal that took in bribes and benefited from a corrupt system until he was found out. What adds to this is that he was NOT consistent with his claims, and he has not proven that the Russian system was state sponsored, or that ALL the Russian athletes were part of the system.
     
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  14. mirkofilipovic

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    There is no evidence that the system was state sponsored. No evidence that the sample bottles could be tampered with, no evidence that all Russian athletes benefited from this scheme. If you have read the previous snippets from the article highlighting the deficiencies of the McLaren report, you would not be asking this. This whole thing was made worse by the Yanks, you want to believe that Rodchenkov's word is trust worthy, because deep inside you harbor antipathy towards Russia because they are a prideful people. Fact is his word is tainted because he is the one taking in bribes and benefiting from it, until he was found out, then he ran and cried wolf.
    It is not far fetched to believe that corruption could last decades, it took decades for the American Olympic doctor Exum Wade to reveal that the Americans have been hiding positive test results from their athletes in the 80's and 90's. It could happen.

    Fact is you want to believe a criminal that cant provide concrete evidence for his claims. I am sure you have some sort of agenda against the Russian's.
     
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  15. bandeedo

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    i see all that, im asking if there is anything supporting your choice of logical reasoning. is there a statement from any russian official saying he was being pursued for breaking state policy, or perhaps one of these other officials who were in on the bribery named him in complicity, perhaps some legal documents that named him as acting outside government consent. something that would make your reasoning the logical trail to pursue.