No fighter can be at his best at 35 and over. It's biologically impossible.

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  1. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Serena Williams the "tennis" player is a biological man in many ways, just look at those muscles and the physique. An actual man clears up in female tennis.

    And 100 metres is track and field yawn- track and field is the sport that the kids who are no good at anything else get into. Its a sport for the equivalent of athletic special needs.

    All the top athletes in the USA for example are in other sports. Other sports that pay way more and involve a team game.
     
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  2. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Considering the fact that Hopkins, JMM, and Mayweather were likely steroid cheats and Foreman, Walcott, and Moore were heavyweights with a longer shelf life that really winnows things down, doesn't it? You're basically left with Martinez, Duran, Chavez, and Zaragoza.

    In the case of Duran, he'd actually peaked when he was 30 and whooped Ray Leonard. He picked up a string of losses over the next five years, whereas previously he'd gone 72-1 so no, he wasn't prime anymore even though he was still technically functioning at a very high level. He's taking losses to Laing and Sims who he probably should have beat and getting flatlined by Hearns. The fact that he still had one last hurrah in him against Iran Barkley is little short of amazing.

    Chavez' defeat by De La Hoya when he was 34 actually signaled the end of his career since he had no more meaningful victories after that and picked up a string of losses. Basically, Chavez was capable right up to that event horizon and then the wheels came off. He might have been able to hang with Ivan Robinson at 43 but at 38 Kostya Tszyu crushed him. His days as truly elite were over.

    Zaragoza and Martinez I really don't know what to make of. They are anomalies. But still they are like two guys out of literally like a hundred million. If you aren't that one in a hundred million guy then you are probably not still an elite boxer at the age of 35. If that's all you want that one in a hundred millionth possibility then fine, but the odds are so far against that for all intents and purposes Tinman is correct and boxers are done functioning at the highest levels by 35.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The best fighter of his generation would have a better single win than Canelo or Corrales. Though I realize that is just semantics in the scheme of this thread. The thing is if you start training at 25 then yes you would probably be in your prime at 35 due to starting so late and needing the time to gain experience. But that same fighter would have been even better at 30 if he had starting training at 15 for example. A fighter who starts training at 13 for example would be prime and reach his full potential anywhere from 25-30 due to having a lot of experience and the body being most physically capable at that time.

    So yes those who reach their prime after age 35 would be slow learners. My buddy is 31 for example and has never boxed before. If he did he'd reach his prime after age 35. By why? Because he's a slow learner. He came to the game late.
     
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  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Justin Gatlin is the only man over 35 in history to run a sub 10 second 100m. And he was at 9.92 and that's far, far off from his personal best of 9.74

    That's a seismic gap in time when we're talking about that level. 124 men have run a sub 10 second 100m. And Justin Gatlin is the only man over 35 who has done it. And only three men under 20 have done it. And none of those teenagers have done it without significant wind assistance thus making their times ineligible for the record books. There seems to be some pattern going on here.
     
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  5. S.K

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    That proves little in the context of boxing.

    As explained in my previous post.
     
  6. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Floyd started very early but still 35 was his best performance for me.
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was a very solid performance, but I'd rate his win over Corrales as his best performance and his win over Castillo as his best win. When he fought Corrales he broke him down and then scored the stoppage.
     
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    It's biologically impossible, but chemical enhancements make it a possibility. The roided demon that Pac faced in IV was the best version of Marquez to ever step inside the squared circle. That night, Marquez was one of the most dangerous welterweights ever.

    New body? Check.
    Thundering power? Check.
    Limitless stamina? Check.
    Speed? Check.
    Timing? Check.

    Basically, it was like Megatron's transformation into Galvatron and Memo Heredia is Unicron.
     
  9. Mrtibbs

    Mrtibbs Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Physically, i totally agree. My guess is the peak years physically are probably somewhere between 24 to 32 varying from gene pool to gene pool.

    But boxing is a thinking sport, so a boxer can become a better boxer psychologically as they mature. I know for sure my body is not what it was 5 years ago (i am 34 years of age as i write this), but i can assure you that i am a much better boxer than i was at a younger age, because i am have more knowledge in dealing with adversity in the ring, as well as a more mature approach on how to tackle different obstacles in the ring.

    As with other areas of life we generally become smarter with age.
     
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  10. lufcrazy

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    The Floyd who fought Corrales would not have beaten the Canelo who fought Floyd.

    No way.
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Agreed because Floyd was only 130 pounds then. Luckily though boxing has weight classes though.
     
  12. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Absolutely, if you don't count everybody who performed well post 35 the list is quite short.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Exactly, so even though he had aged considerably, other factors such as experience and weight meant he was better equipped to face Canelo at 35 years of age rather than 25 years of age.

    There's more to boxing than being physically prime.
     
  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  15. SmackDaBum

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    Just wanted to say: Thank you!

    Wlad at 41 just can't be Wlad at 31.
     
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