Terence Crawford Had The EASIEST PATH EVER To Becoming Undisputed Champion...

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  1. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Ricky = lower B grade fighter - he beat those opponents handily after his loss, at least he wasn't coming off a loss and Di Rocco and Relikh are not bums. The point is, Indongo beat Ricky and looked like a B+ fighter doing so, therefore is a good scalp to have on the resume. Also, for me I'm careful about my terminology. To me, a 'pretty good run' isn't the same as a 'good run'. With that pretty good run, Ricky proved that he still was world level rather than relegating himself to journeyman level.

    Diaz IS better than Lemieux. You're arguing your point but you're saying he is elite which is just absolute BS.
    Diaz the Olympic Gold medalist isn't way too small, he is shorter but he's thicker bodied and went on a string of beating good fighters with bigger dimensions than Crawford....at WELTERWEIGHT.
    Lemieux has beaten lesser opponents than Diaz (especially considering Diaz was robbed by Peterson) - that's not even a debate.

    I get the impression that you're just talking **** just to keep your thread going or something. Have your last word, I'm outta here.
     
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  2. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    This isn't my thread. And I'm not going to debate and take seriously words with someone who believes Amir khan would have given Floyd trouble and that Ricky Burns is a B+ level fighter.

    There is absolutely no credibility in your words and views.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    The names he beat were the best he could fight when he fought them. They were fellow title holders and absolutely fights he should have pursued.

    They are the typical low reward high risk fights that are normally avoided in favour of the more recognisable names.

    The names he's beaten aren't marquee but that isn't something that should be credited anyways. The names he beat are the best he could beat when he beat them.

    Mikey Garcia is a marquee name and the best he can face right now, beating him ticks loads of boxes.

    If he beats Garcia and then say Thurman, I doubt even the most ardent of haters can criticise him.
     
  4. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hate never wins but is always present and accounted for.
     
  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You agreed with the statement that he hasn't fought any standout talent because you stated that " It is true" I objected to that because I think that when a fighter reaches the position of champion, that alone sets him apart from the rest. Now you can break down and find faults in their fight game but you can do that with any fighter so it's irrelevant. The fact remains that Crawford beat two champions in his rise to the top. Postol and Indongo has headlined a marquee on several occasions so they both were indeed marquee fighters. Mikey G don't wanna see Crawford in that square circle, especially after sat. A hater is gonna hate regardless of who the man fights.
     
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  6. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

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    They are not Bum because they fought Burns? Is this what you are basing this by?

    Both guys have fought guys who have fought no one. Quit looking at boxrec and actually look at who they fought. Di Rocco and Relikh fought guys who padded their winning records by fighting opponents with losing records.

    Lets look at Relikh's best wins. After fighting bunches of guys who barely has more win than lose, Relikh takes on Christian Ariel Lopez and Joaquim Carneiro. Both of these guys' records consist of fighting guys with losing records or guys making their debut. And these two are Relikh's best win.

    Di Rocco best wins compose of the same smoke and mirror. A vaunted 40-1 record fighting sparring partners out of Italy. As soon as he stepped up he gets Koed. Not once but twice now.

    Both Di Rocco and Relikh are a step up from tough man competition. Calling them C level would be generous.
     
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  7. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Not worth wasting time on that clown. The same guy believes Amir Khan would have dealt with Floyd Mayweather if they fought because of his speed.

    There are so many morons that have infested this site, that you are fighting a losing battle trying to use reason and logic to counter the stupidity.
     
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  8. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    This maybe a matter of semantics.

    The names on his resume don't exactly jump off the page.

    For example, fighting Indongo is the best fight he could have made imo as he was the clear number 2 in the division.

    But a name like Broner, for whatever reason seems to have more appeal to it.

    I wouldn't credit him more for beating Broner, I'd be saying he should be fighting Indongo.

    As i have always said about Crawford he chases fights like no one around ATM. He always takes the guys you would expect someone to duck because they are high risk low reward fighters.

    So I can see why some say his resume is lacking marquee names, but imo he's fought the best he can possibly fight on a very consistent basis.

    I think it is true that the names don't jump off the page, but I think it's also true that due to his accomplishments he's clearly a top 3 p4p fighter today
     
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  9. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    That's what I thought.
     
  10. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...easier than Brian Magee, coming off a KO loss, beating 17-4 unranked gatekeeper Jaime Barboza for the interim WBA super middleweight title?

    You sure you don't want to rethink what might come off in hindsight as the ridiculously irrational hyperbole of a pure hater? ;)
     
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  11. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    Sure, Anus Face.
     
  12. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We can agree to disagree but for me, this is not a matter of sematics but rather a matter of facts. They were champions and while they may not have had a following in the States, they were well recognized in their home countries. For that matter Sosa or Rocky Martinez don't jump off the page. I just don't see any reason to downplay Crawford's rise to the top. It was just as good as anybodies. The organizations lined them up and he knocked them down. Now there are some fighters out there coming up that people may feel is better than the guys he fought but not at the time he fought them and I am sure that if he stays at 140 they will get their shot. There is one fighter I would like to see him fight before he leaves and that's Prograis, but if he don't I won't hold it against him because he is going to a bigger challenge.
     
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  13. lufcrazy

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    Why Sosa or Martinez?

    I don't know who has a fan base in the states or not since I'm not there.

    Saying the names don't jump off the page doesn't downplay anything. I've already said he has fought the best available opposition, he literally can do no more from 135 - 140 than he already has done.

    Garcia is who I wanna see him fight next, then Thurman and Spence at WW.

    Facts are facts. He's beaten the best he could face. The names on his ledger aren't oozing star power.

    He's a top 3 p4p fighter by anyone's standards. Stop being so defensive.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I'm gonna throw out Lennox Lewis beating a cracked out Oliver McCall for a vacant belt and unifying against a fading Evander Holyfield.
     
  15. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why Indongo or Postal? You got over 59 thousand posts and you want me to believe that you don't know nothing about fighters in the states. You been trying to play two ends against the middle since we started this conversation but I ain't mad at you because I understand that some people like to play games. You have kept it on the respectful side and I honor that. However, I am done with this because there is only so much bs I can take. lol. Peace