Better All-Around Fighter: Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mrkoolkevin, Apr 23, 2017.


Who was the better all-around fighter, Primo Carnera or Riddick Bowe?

  1. Primo Carnera

  2. Riddick Bowe

  3. They were equally good all-around fighters

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  1. reznick

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    I did a bit of restoration fixing camera stability, which nobody had done before.

    My strength comes from being able to source relevant, quality footage in a very short amount of time.

    The HD Carnera-Baer footage isn't on YouTube. That, mixed with camera stability is a big jump from what was available prior. And is the clearest footage of Carnera available.

    Also people have talked about seeing the slow motion Sharkey KO, but I never seen it posted here. Which clearly shows Carnera landing a brutal uppercut.

    The fact that some prolific posters still think it's fake is an embarrassment.
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Considering your extreme fanboy fanaticism, I'd be concerned if you actually found my analysis meaningful. And you have some nerve accusing anyone else of unrepresentative cherrypicking! Anyway, the clips I posted showed Carnera in a variety of situations against a diverse set of opponents. They were completely fair and I could have easily chosen many other clips that would emphasize the exact same flaws and weaknesses. They showed a number of fundamental flaws in his punching form, flaws that are obvious to all of the folks around here who understand boxing. They showed poor defensive skills. They showed questionable reflexes and coordination. They showed that he is in no way, shape, or form, as good as Riddick Bowe.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    First posted the clips for you on page 20 of this thread and then asked you to address them on pages 40-43 (and maybe others). You seemed completely unwilling or unable to review and address the footage.
     
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    I'm not saying you didn't do anything to the footage, or improve upon the clarity of the footage, I am simply saying, it's not new footage is all.
     
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    Meaningless drivel.
    I can post clips of Bowe getting smothered and beat to the jab by 6"1 Art Card, so what?

    Every boxer has flaws, saying that Primo had some is no revelation.
     
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    To this community, the HD version of the footage was new. I consider it new evidence. If you're saying I didn't uncover any new fights, then you are correct.
     
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  7. janitor

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    I didn't ignore them, its just that they don't really prove anything.

    All fighters make mistakes.

    If I showcase a fighter showing a particular skill, and then you showcase him making a mistake, it doesn't undo the fact that he had the skill that I showcased.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    It's only meaningless to you because: a) you still don't understand boxing; and b) you're a ridiculous fanboy of old-school heavyweights. This thread more than any other has probably exposed the depth of your fanaticism. Any sane, sensible person in your position would have long since reconsidered his stance. But I guess you know better than the diverse, impressive group of 79 posters who see things differently. Oh well. Keep fighting the good fight!
     
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    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You're still ignoring them.

    And the posts showed more than "mistakes;" they showed fundamental flaws and weaknesses. You should check the posts out some time-- the links are still active.
     
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    So what would this prove if you were right?

    Showing a superheavyweigth exhibit a fundamental flaw, at a single point in a fight, is now exactly a knockout blow.

    Is it even worth debating the footage when you are not even seeing the same thing that we are seeing?
     
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  11. reznick

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    I've actually done boxing.
    You never have, not once.
    You have never even tasted what it's like.
    You don't even have a scent of it.

    Everything you have ever said about boxing is purely theoretical.
    None of your observations come from actual experience.
    Not once in your life have you been the guy behind the gloves who actually has to punch, and get punched.
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    LOL. We've been over all this already. Your boxing "experience" is worthless.
     
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  13. reznick

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    Always the gym hanger ons who are too scared to actually box that talk crap.
    You're a clown.

    Talk to me about understanding boxing when you've actually done it, idiot.
     
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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    "Scared" to box? You sound like a dweeb. It's cute that you think that you actually box--let alone that your time awkwardly slapping at a heavy bag with no supervision (other than the little boy who filmed you) gives you some kind of credibility though. Anyway, more importantly, the bottom line is that your posts about boxing in this forum have made it completely clear that you don't really understand some of the basic principles of boxing technique.
     
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    lol I'm the dweeb, yet you know all the boxing 101 techniques without ever having actually boxed! Wake up, you are the dweeb. And you look like a dweeb.

    I've been in the ring with great amateur prospects and professional boxers, going full force. I've actually done the activity of boxing while you have not.

    How a 40 year old thinks his second hand observations give him more credibility than someone who has actually practiced the activity is baffling. However, your acute level of intelligence explains it sufficiently.
     
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