Some perspective for those blowing smoke up Crawford's rear and calling him P4P

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  1. CutThroatFade

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    This was actually similar to Illunga Junior Makabu before he took on Bellew. Most of his opponents were just unknown Africans which probably took place at similar venues. There was very little footage of him on YouTube apart from a highlight reel which largely comprised of his fight with Mchunu. Sure Makabu is a decent boxer but was immensely overrated going into the Bellew fight. He was even KO'd in his debut lol.

    Just seen actually that he fought again earlier this year against an 8-12 losing record Zimbabwean who he had beaten before. Looking through his record he fought some other bum twice as well.

    This is why I take the records of obscure African boxers with a pinch of salt because you have no idea of the genuine standard of the opponents.

    From the Burns fight it was painfully obvious Indongo was really flawed and winged punches like crazy. He got away with it because Burns was so negative and because of his long limbs. I'd actually tip Crolla to even beat Indongo at 140. Even a Luke Campbell could step up and make him look rank amateur.
     
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  2. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    :lol: You're a clown poster who will soon be going on my ignore list alongside the likes of Dinovelvet, Zodius and Shockmaster.

    He lost to jacobs, but according to you, Ward beat Kovalev in their first bout right?? :lol:

    Posters who show such blatant double standards need not be encouraged. This will be my last response to your garbage so soak it up and enjoy it!
     
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  3. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Your reading comprehensions must be comprised as I did disagree with your points regarding GGG's resume vs Crawfords.

    As for p4p, it is all fantasy. I only now have partaken in it because there are many on here proclaiming Crawford to be the greatest fighter who is active today on the back of beating complete and utter dross, similar to the level of opponents Wilder has faced.

    Why doesn't Crawford fight Garcia then instead of chasing all these unification against bums? It's all well and good saying he has improved since the amateurs days, ignoring the fact Garcia has also improved and showed more willingness to get in the ring with credible fighters and has arguably a better resume than Crawford yet is consistently dismissed. They happened to spar twice in fact, the first time Crawford got the better of him through outb oxing him by a landside. The second time Garcia adjusted and it was much closer.

    Fighting in the Amateurs and being under the lights are two different things. I'd have Crawford favourite but by no means is it a foregone conclusion.

    As for Ricky Burns, he padded up his record similar to what Crawford has done. Careful match making fighting old washed up bums, barring one decent opponent is why Ricky holds the title of being a three time world champion. If you think he is up there with the legends of the sport who have achieved a similar feat, then we need not go any further with this discussion, since you would have shown you are willing to forfeit all credibility in order to build up a fighter.
     
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  4. boxerfan13

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    Geale.. The same Geale that Cotto KO'd.. Ok.. And Brook is a Welterweight lol. He hasn't fought Canelo yet.. Jacobs is a good fighter.. And magically.. GGG was in a back and forth fight. Lemieux.. What's his best win... Camacho Jr? lol.. He got TKO'd by Marco Antonio Rubio.. People... Crawford.. Oh he hasn't fought anyone of note.. When assessing GGG resume.. Lemieux.. He's far from a novice.. LMAO
     
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  5. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Such hyperbole. TC has faced off against the 2nd guy in his division twice, when has Wilder done that exactly?
    Garcia wants no part of TC, if he did he would have called him out instead of Thurman after beating Broner. GGG was beating some bums for his titles, did you forget that when you're attacking a boxer you dislike? As for Rickie, I never said he was a legend, I said he was at World level which he is. If you don't think Rickie Burns is a World Level fighter than you don't know anything about boxing. World level fighters can lose bouts, like Cotto for example is at World level, Pulev is, Povetkin is, Cleverly still is. Just because a fighter may lose a few fights doesn't suddenly transform them into Eurobums after a couple of defeats.
     
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  6. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Geale was a former world champ, I'd hardly call it an impressive win but neither of those fighters learned how to box on a farm, or were part time boxers. Btw there is no shame losing to Cotto who gave Mayweather one of his toughest fights in his career.

    I included Brook, because it is fair game considering Crawford's fanboys don't care about weight advantages when they talk about his opponents who he out sized. Crawford had no business fighting at 135 or 140 consider he walks around at 160lbs.

    Canelo is arranged and signed, so he is on his resume, meanwhile your boy is on the border of fighting another unknown bum as his mandatory.

    All the top fighters are gearing up to face top elite fighters or have at least an elite name on their record, except Crawford. Even a former school teacher has more balls than Crawford. Horn after beating Manny isn't content to fight little men at 140lbs he wants Errol Spence t 147 and even called Crawford out yet he doesn't even respond.
     
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  7. boxerfan13

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    You just showed us how crap GGG resume is. Thanks. A blown up WW.. And everyone else sucks. Minus Jacobs. And for all you know someone gets injured and they have to postpone the fight.. So no.. He's not on his resume
     
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  8. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You just showed how crap a poster you are. Don't waste my time if you are going to resort to child like elementary level trolling.


    World level fighters do not get completely schooled by glorified sparring partners. Watch Burns vs Beltran and Jose Gonzalez. He got battered by both men who were c level calibre fighters. Was out of his depth and needed luck to have them as wins on his records.

    Gonzalez with fatigue and Beltran with a home town robbery. Then you have him getting embarrassed by a complete certified bum in Zlaticanin and now Indongo. Its not about losses, but the level of opponents and manner which you lose which defines your level. Let's not forget he ducked Broner while he was cleaning up the 135lb division

    If you really believe Ricky's wins over fighters such as Michele di Rocco, Josh King, Prince Ofotsu, Omar Figueroa Jr and Alexandre Lepelley make him world level, then this isn't the sport for you.

    Ricky was a euro level bum who hand picked his opponents choosing the easiest path to title shots while having 95% of them take place in his hometown with Eddies Hearns judges in there for good measure.

    Even calling him a euro level bum is being generous.

    As for Garcia, he is on record that he would be more than happy to fight Crawford.

    As for Wilder he has fough Stiverne was no1 ranked WBC title holder, so there goes your silly defense that Crawford is the only boxer to have fought a high ranked opponent.
     
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  9. slender4

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    Sure he did. At the weigh-in, he's 135 or 140 lbs. which means he had all the business in the world.
     
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  10. Ilikeboxing

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    WBC still has Stiverne as his mandatory. Both guys are not in the top ten HW's, not even when Stiverne beat that fat Mexican with tits. Postol was regarded as the number 1 guy in the division after beating Lucus. Indongo was regarded as the 2nd guy at 140lbs after his latest showing. There's a difference here.
     
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  11. SteelShoulders

    SteelShoulders Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yup. If you dis Terrence Crawford, you must apply the same to Triple G. Vice versa. Both are + boxers, although I think T-craw has more skill/heart/intangibles, while Triple G has less skill but more power. Quite comparable.
     
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  12. lobk

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    :nonono Figueroa did not lose.
     
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  13. Selina

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    People tend to carry away sometimes. Crawfords Is definately on my p4p top 3. He belongs there talent wise. Resume wise he's not top 5.

    It's just foolish to elevate him for #1p4p because he beat Indingo. Indingo was one of the weakest belt holder around.

    Same guys who are praising his win are the same guys who are down playing Golovkin and his resume. Double standards to say the least - if u down play one, u need to do the same to both.(just to make it clear, IMO both have good wins on their resume and I have both top 3 p4p )

    Indingo compares to Daniel geale - both guys were once weak belt holders. (It doesn't make any difference eventhough Geale wasn't a champion at the time)

    Gamboa levels to Brook. Nobody seems to remember size difference was much bigger between Gamboa and Crawfords. (and no, it doesn't make any difference eventhough Gamboa wasn't a champion at the time)

    Postal equals to lemieux. Postal had a belt like DL had and both have still lot to prove in order to be considered great wins. (Postal hasn't done much afterwords).

    Then there is Jacobs, Monroe jr (potentially a belt holder in one month), Murray(should have been a linear champion at the time) etc.
     
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  14. Angler Andrew

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    Does Broner count
     
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  15. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great post just said the same thing before I seen this,the double standards are unreal esp with LBDC community,as it happens I rate Crawford highly and like GGG I suspect he'd of beaten far better opposition were it there,Golovkin even after beating Canelo and maybe Saunders or Monroe will not get the same accolades although I suspect he will from the boxers themselves but what do they know right?
     
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