What's harder to deal with when fighting bigger men? Their power or their chin?

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  1. lucky luke

    lucky luke Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was under the impression that "chin talk" was about a fighter ability to take a punch to the head, not the actual chin itself. Very rarely you see a boxer give up because of a broken chin. It a metaphor.

    The reason why you try to hit thw chin, is not, because you're trying to break it. It is because by hitting on the chin works as leverage to shake the head. It's like using a wrench instead of your fingers while tightening a bolt.

    So no, if the head doesn't move, the shaking of the brain is less, after a punch to the chin.

    One question, do you really believe that having a good chin means that you have a strong jaw bone and thus can take a punch better?
     
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  2. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not just the big hits fighters have to worry about. The smaller hits can cause brain damage too. They're called sub-concussive hits. The average fighter takes hundreds of these punches every fight.

    And it's not just pro fights. They get hit during sparring and the amateurs too.

    And headgear doesn't help, because headgear can't stop the brain from hitting the skull.
     
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  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    This is where you are making your error. The brain is in fluid, so the LESS the head moves from any punch, the more momentum is transferred to the brain rather than to the rest of the body if the head moved. There are terms for such injuries from such "brain movers" but I wont go into it here since its unnecessary information and I am not trying to blind you with medical terms.

    YOu must for instance know that rolling/moving with a punch is better than taking its whole momentum into the skull. Same thing.

    3/4th of the area you can punch on a face is made up of the upper, lower and side areas of the jaw and what the connect to. The rest is just above, surrounding the eyes, and the small nose bones.

    You are referring to merely the lower jaw bone, which you might know as the mandible - your knowledge of anatomy is insufficient to correctly word your question, thats the only reason I am telling you this, not as a putdown.
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    u r a grade A idiot. That is all.
     
  5. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    So you think that Mike Tyson and Alexis Arguello take a shot to the jaw about equally as well? They're both around 5'10". I don't know man I just don't think Arguello can absorb as much punishment and power as Tyson. Maybe, but I doubt it seriously.
     
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  6. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    if its a full fledged knockout punch, then the result is the same. They would both go down and out to it. Just being 220 lbs,with only a few of those extra pounds round the neck and head makes no significant difference to a flush knockout 200lb punch.

    Obviously you would have MUCH less chance of landing that on tyson in the ring, because then you are boxing. In the ring, other extraneous factors come into it, in spades. Ability timing styles reach height cheats tactics speed comparative lung power remaining at any given time, and many of these are related to size differences in some way or other.
     
  7. BCS8

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    If the head doesn't move then the brain doesn't move either, dipstick.

    Trauma ... aka KO's ... are caused by the brain smashing itself against the inside of the skull after the head is put into motion. The more muscle supporting the skull, the less it will move. The more weight a head has, the more kinetic energy that needs to be transferred to it to make it move.

    Therefore ... drumroll ... a bigger, better conditioned muscular system supporting a heavier head will absorb physical trauma better than a pimple of a head on a lollipop neck.

    Lesson over.
     
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  8. BCS8

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    This guy is denser than lead. Not you, to be clear.
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You said that bigger men just use their height and reach to avoid getting hit from smaller men. And that's the reason why they have the advantage. Well let me tell you if Arguello fought Tyson then Tyson would have finished him in less than 30 seconds. He would have put Arguello flat on his back in 30 seconds. Because he punches a **** ton harder and takes a much harder shot. Nah, Arguello cannot take a punch as well as Tyson. No, just no.
     
  10. HerolGee

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    thats fine, but thats categorically NOT chin, its height and reach in your post exactly as you've written it.

    Do you have a problem with what you yourself wrote?
     
  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    U can take a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

    there u go, thats about right 4 u
     
  12. BCS8

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    Chuvalo thought that having more jaw muscles would help him take shots better and chewed gum obsessively to develop his facial musculature, as well as conditioning the neck etc. Of course, wtf does Chuvalo know compared to Herol?
     
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  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    well he sure knew his gum for starters.



    BUT SHEESH thanks BCS and Dr frekin Chuvalo, you're telling me this NOW? If I had known that five years ago then I'd never have needed all 2 years of damn anatomy lab toiling. Chewing gum would have gifted me all the knowledge I needed on it.
     
  14. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Over/under on prime Arguello vs prime Tyson? 30 seconds for Tyson KO? over/under? I'm taking under. They're the same height by the way. So why would Tyson KO Arguello (a better fighter p4p) in 30 seconds? Obviously because it's a discrepancy in their power and ability absorb.

    When I made this thread I didn't actually believe that somebody would tell me that a Featherweight can take a punch as well as Mike Tyson. I mean damn. Just WTF...
     
  15. bandeedo

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    you dont know wtf youre talking about.
     
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