who really think eubank can win the 168 super series

Froch hit a lot harder than CEJ lets not kid anyone on. When Froch was at British level he was fighting world rated fighters like Robin Reid and Brian McGee who were much better than your Spikes and Blackwells

 

Groves is beatable but not by CEJ. Groves takes him to school.

 

Frochs record doesnt really point to that tbh moog. He went 11 with woolnough, 12 with barney and 12 with adamu. Froch was high volume just like eubank. He was hitting guys over and over. Him and pascal and him and kessler basically stood in the centre of the ring and hit each other over and over without any sign of a stoppage. I m not sure why because its eubank someone like abraham needs to fall or hes featherfisted and yet no ones saying groves is featherfisted or even froch when they both hit guys again and again just the same as eubanks.

 

which he lost

 

You're talking absolute nonsense, you need to stop.

 

In his last 8 fights, only 2 of his opponents have touched the canvas. Doran who could have been blown over by a dinnerladies fart that night and Jeter who was about as tough as a interior caravan wall.

Abraham's is a natural middleweight & Quinlan who was a super middleweight had 12 fights in 8 years to his name.

Eubank has got everything to prove in the super middle division because he's not fought nobody substantial yet. He has phenomenal work rate, stamina and punch output but he doesn't have power and he'll have to go 36 rounds to stand a chance of winning the tournament. Smith and Groves have learnt their trade in this division, they're bigger, stronger and they can put the big lads away.

He'll outpoint Yildirim (unless he cops a big shot) then pull out of the tournament.

 

This is getting stupid now. In his last seven fight...hes stopped 6 of them. With the only one surviving being abraham who practically no one stops. In them 6 stoppages...he wrecked chudinov. Put blackwell in a coma. And spikes team chucked the towel in early to avoid a potential career ending beating.

Stopped another guy in 2. One in 4 i think. And not sure about the other one. His stoppage percentage is actually getting higher as he went up the level.

I ll say it again...carl frochs early record is comparable to eubanks. He hit guys hundreds of times the same as eubank.

Billy joe saunders has a power problem...no ones mentioning that. Instead its the guy with 6 stoppages in his last 7.

 

He stops opponents with overwhelming punch volume until the ref stops the fight. He cannot put a fighter on the canvas. He should have put Blackwell and Chudinov away in the early rounds. He had far too much class for them but because he can't put a opponent on the floor they end up getting a beating. Getting knocked spark out is bad, but getting leathered around the head for a sustained amount of time is much worse and there is an increased chance of a brain injury.

Carl Froch fought opponents like Groves, Kessler, Bute, Dirrell, Ward, Pascal, Taylor, a prime Abraham's etc Who has Eubank fought?

Saunders lacks power and is a small middleweight. The success he's had has come from his boxing skills.

Eubank lacks power which he compensates for with a high punch volume. This works at middleweight, my point is, it's yet to be proven whether it will work at Super Middle.

 

Which comes back to the point mate it doesnt matter how you win the fight as long as you win it. Eubanks power is decent...he doesnt have one punch knockout power at the level hes fighting at. But not many do tbh. Hes not aiming for a one punch knockout anyway. His aim is to overwhelm opponents with a high workrate till they break down. And six of the last seven have. It also worked perfectly against the seventh guy. He was all over abraham.

Was talking about frochs early career...not really fair to compare with froch full body of work. But again froch wasnt knocking everyone out in two rounds. Some of them fights we,re going seven, eight, eleven rounds. Guys not much better than guys eubanks battering some not as good. Froch had better one punch power. But again he did have to accumulate them most of the time just like eubank. Groves last few fights have been comparably to eubank as hes changed his style. Hes the same outworks guys till they break down. Had to go 12 with murray/rebrasse tho. The same sort of durability as abraham. Groves got a lot more knockouts earlier in his career cause he was more of a counterpuncher. Seems to have changed his style since leaving booth. People are questioning eubanks power over it but its down to tactics more than his power.

Hes trying to outwork them. They either break down or hes got a big points lead. Hes not really aiming for the one punch knockout.

 

I think groves is the best man in that tournament. But if he doesnt learn his lesson from the froch fight soon...he,ll get knocked out again. I m not a massive fan of smith. Think hes been fighting guys tailor made for him. Either too small or no power sometimes both. Hes good just not as good as hes been made out to be.

But he could be a bannana skin for groves. Groves still trying to exchange in close. Leaving himself wide open throwing hooks in close when hes under attack. Needs to learn to spoil in close...diffuse the situation. Done it a few times in that last fight also done it against gunecht. It will come back to haught him if he doesnt sort it out soon.

 

I respect your opinion, and the fact you're always a gent in a debate.

I'm looking forward to seeing him operate against the bigger lads although it does frustrate me because he's a middleweight all day long. He has to step up now. By Froch's 27th fight, he'd already fought Pascal, Taylor and Dirrell (and a very tired Robin Reid). I hope he faces Groves.

 

To be fair, at 6"3 his opponents are always going to be smaller at 168. God knows how he gets down to that weight. Like Eubank we'll see what level he's at with this tournament. I think he'll stroll into that final though with two KO/TKO's.

I like Groves a lot. Them defeats by Froch and Jack are the best things that ever happened to him in his career. He learnt massively from them. It's worth highlighting that he could have dodged a meet up with Eubank but he really wants it by the looks of it.

 

yeah but only time he stepped up he lost.