Some More Info on Carnera

One of the primary reasons they have these setup fights is to give the fighters experience. Extremely valuable experience that professionals can't afford to skip.

This idea that Primo didn't properly experience any of that, and somehow became champion, just seems rediculous. Perhaps it is true, but then, like I said, that would make him far greater than any of us thought.

 

Remember when you said "Show me once a fighter like Braddock getting suspended," and then we found an instance of Braddock getting suspended...

 

Unlike you I'm not beholden to old tales.
I just go off what I see as well as common sense.

You still think the Sharkey KO is questionable. Talk about head in the sand...

 

Paulie Walker, Inducted to the NJ Hall of Fame. Suspended in 1930.
Young Stribling. Suspended in 1933 for "holding." (How many suspensions would Wlad receive in the 30's?)
Ernie Jarvis, suspended for fighting Frankie Genaro in 1929.
Joe Jacobs, manager of Max Schmeling, was suspended indefinitely as a manager "for conduct and actions in the ring considered detrimental to boxing." Basically, they banned him from the sport for showing discontent at the Sharkey decision after the fight.
Salvatore Ruggirello was suspended after getting knocked out by Mickey Walker, for "an unsatisfactory performance." - 1935. (Are you starting to get the picture yet?)
Barney Ross was suspended for not accepting Lou Ambers challenge in 1932.
Max Baer was suspended indefinitely by the New York State Athletic Commission in 1934 for being late to a meeting.
Max Schmeling was banned in Boston for not fighting Paulino for the annual Milk Fund. In fact, I think Schmeling has been suspended and banned by more commissions in his life than Carnera ever was.

Tony Galento was suspended in Michigan, because the Chairman of the Michigan Athletic Board of Control thought that he didn't deserve the #1 rank for Louis' title. The chairman also banned Natie Brown for getting knocked down 10 times against Galento in 4 rounds. The 126 pound man, said "I don't believe Galento could lick me." When Galento and Kearns were notified of this, Galento was in a fog as to why anyone would question the legitimacy of the fight, and promised to never fight in Michigan again, as long as the Commissioner was in charge. (Basically these commissions were run by incompetent idiots, with unprofessional childish mentalities.)

Everyone and their momma was being banned, suspended, or fined by these boards in the 30's.
Carnera wasn't a special case in that regard.

 

Ignorance loves company.

 

Who were these many?

 

I said:

Which is what you had contention with.

The point is, these commissions and boards at times were incompetent, over zealous, biased, and unfair.

They almost cancelled the Carnera - Baer championship fight, because the NY Commissioner saw Baer sparring the day before, and thought he didn't look good. This would be like Mauricio Sulaiman showing up to Canelos media day workout, and cancelling the fight because he didn't think Alvarez looked good. Can you imagine?

These guys banned Max Baer for being late to a meeting.

The Michigan Commissioner, a 126lb guy, banned Galento because he thought he could beat him in a fight.
I mean what is this?

It shouldn't mean that boxers could do no harm, and that the commissions were always wrong.
But I don't think that their actions should reflect an end all be all.
And the extent of their incompetence should be noted.

 

I know of a lot of contemporary observers who said that, and I can understand why they thought it.

I don't know many people who have played the film back, and reached that conclusion however.

 

It is generally accepted that the footage has debunked the silly "invisible punch" theory.