Gennady Golovkin vs Sugar Ray Robinson but welter version

The thread starter clearly states the scenario Rez.

 

Uh..I know.
I'm saying Golovkin never fought at welterweight. He may not be able to fight well at that weight, and may be too drained.

Edit:
Ah, just realized it's a WW Robinson vs a MW Golovkin.

This is actually a tough one.

 

Stopping Robinson is a tall order even for Golovkin. Sugar Ray was stopped only 1 time in 200 fights or so. That was due to heat exhaustion. He had a ton of fights against Middleweights before and after his prime. I don't doubt Triple G`s power or that he is a fine fighter. I think it is a mistake though to assume SRR can`t hurt him. He hurt LaMotta for God`s sake. Ray is still taller, faster of both feet and hands and has plenty of power in every punch in his arsenal. Robinson would stick and move his way to a decision most likely.

 

Both have never seen anything like the other, IMHO. I can make a case for both men winning.

This fight is much more interesting @ MW.

 

The biggest guy Robinson fought was Maxim, who at 173 weighs the same as Golovkin on fight night. Maxim as we know was a defensive fighter not used to chasing guys, and he did not punch with power. Robinson at 157 still fought very defensively against the larger Maxim, to the point he had to run himself into the ground like that. If Robinson fancied his chances of standing his ground against a guy that big, he wouldn't have chose a high energy strategy in the blistering heat.

At welter, Robinson was only 145ish. Golovkin at 170-173 has a tremendous weight advantage and unlike Maxim, punches with real power and is proficient at cutting off the ring. Robinson hasn't faced anything like this before. Like I said, I still believe Robinson can beat him, but I think Golovkin would take a series, and has a good chance at stopping him at least once.

Thus far the only guy to go the distance with Golovkin since he became a 10 round fighter was 5 years younger and came into the fight as a cruiser weight.

 

Golovkin hits too damn hard.
He's only able to to cut the ring off and make the opponent constantly work, because they are in constant fear of getting their brains knocked out. Basically, his ridiculous power allows him to impose himself on these guys very easily. And he doesn't throw one punch at a time. With his shoulder snap, he is throwing combos, where each punch is a KO punch. Louis/Rocky style.

He is also a tank. And has real strength that allows him to easily win positioning on the inside, and take punches like nothing.

The only likely chance to stop a guy like this is by matching him with some who has all time elite boxing skills and elite speed.
Robinson fits that bill. But he is also coming at a size disadvantage here.

Incredibly tough call.

 

Has Golovkin ever fought a light heavyweight, Yes or No? According to a poster on here who met Lamotta, Lamotta sparred plenty of heavyweights. It doesn't matter anyway. Do you think Gassiev goes as hard in sparring as he does in a fight? I've seen Golovkin spar, he doesn't spar at a pace anywhere near in the ring.

Mayweather couldn't cut off the ring to save his life against McGregor but landed 53% of his punches.

Punches landed don't mean much in terms of being able to cut off the ring.

 

Technically, Golovkin almost is a LHW on fight night. He weighs 170lb. Jacobs was at least 175, and some guys claim he was almost 190 for the GGG fight. Modern fighters rehydrate to higher actual fight night weights than back then. Today's MW are not quite the same as yesterday's MW. It's actually not a fair comparison now that I think of it.

Here's an interesting article on the matter:

[url]https://www.ringtv.com/121107-its-time-to-re-examine-day-before-weigh-ins/[/url]

According to reports Gassiev takes no prisoners in sparring:

[url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/murat-gassiev-is-the-hardest-puncher-ive-ever-been-in-a-ring-with-ola-afolabi.559105/[/url]

But that said, I agree with you that sparring is sparring and a fight is a fight.

For the sake of argument I'm not going to contest the point. All I can do is refer you to the universal acclaim that GGG's footwork gets. This is from Freddie Roach, an 'enemy' of Golovkin:

"I've only seen Gennady Golovkin fight once, but he might have the best footwork in boxing," stated the elite level boxing coach. "He keeps himself in a good position about 90% of the time during a fight." "When you do that, you're winning the fight about 90% of the time. And that's why he's where he is today."

[url]http://www.fightsaga.com/news/item/5115-Gennady-Golovkin-Always-footwork[/url]

 

Ah, I see K-Cobra already mentioned the rehydration of modern boxers.

 

On twitter Jacobs revealed he was 174 on fight night. Rehydrating to lhw isn't the same as naturally weighing in at light heavyweight. The natural light heavy is stronger and a lot of the time bigger looking too. Its impossible to get the full nutrients to the muscle in just 24 hrs when dehydrating 15 lbs.

If I went off of Golovkin's performances from 2015 and prior then I would think that too. It wasn't until he fought Brook and Jacobs that he looked like he had a chink in his armor so to speak.

 

He's lying. I don't believe it. If Golovkin weighed 173 then he had to weigh much more. It's clear he was massive compared to GGG.

That seems logical. I'll buy that.

The way I see it both Brook and Jacobs are world class fighters. Golovkin said in advance that he would brawl Brook, and so he did. He looked sloppy in that one. As for Jacobs, not only is he close to a cruiser masquerading as a LHW, I also think that his skills are much better than anybody, including me, gave him credit for. If he keeps this level I don't see anybody beating him at MW other than GGG.

 

I agree that Jacobs is pretty good but I don't think he is nearly as good of a ring technician as Robinson was. Nor was he as good of a puncher.

If Jacobs really was a cruiserweight on fight night then GGG should have been able to cut off the ring due to the speed advantage of being 20 lbs lighter.

 

Nobody is saying that. Hell no. What we are saying is that even the guy that many say is p4p the best in history, SRR, reaches a point where the other guy is simply too big for him.

He did cut the ring off. He dictated the range and did what he had to do. I guess we disagree here.

 

Golovkin. SRR was knocked down in each of his first three fights by Lamotta (although there are conflicting reports on one of the knockdowns). Lamotta outweighed Robinson by 12, 17, and 15 lbs in those fights. In their 5th fight (fought at middleweight) Lamotta outweighed SRR by 9 lbs , where Lamotta lost a split decision.

Lamotta' s chin, swarming style, imposed physical strength, and steady body work allowed him to be competitive in most of the 6 fight series with SRR. That sounds like a scouting report of Golovkin's style, except Golovkin's power is an order of magnitude greater, and he has a better jab. Now give GGG a 25 lb advantage over SRR.

I will concede there is a lack of public footage of Lamotta in his prime. We have on YouTube a couple of minutes against Bell in 1947, DeJohn and an injured Cerdan in 1949. I think Lamotta's defence looks better than Golovkin's from what I've seen of it in the DeJohn fight. I don't like how GGG freezes in a high guard when someone throws combinations against him. But this is not nearly enough to balance the scales against spotting 25 lbs to a nearly consensus top 5 fighter in the world today. And we are talking about prime GGG from the Macklin and Geale fights in 2013-2014. Imo, it's a bridge too far.