Who was the better fighter: James Toney or Floyd Mayweather

True, but look at guys like Maidana who Floyd struggled with. A MW/SMW version of Maidana would have got schooled had James fought one. So Floyd can struggle too you know.

 

In some minds it will have, in most it probably won't.

While you can argue that Pac, DLH, Cotto, Mosley and Canelo weren't at their peak, they were still very much relevant fighters.

When he moved up to 140 and 147 he did choose a couple of softer touches, instead of say Tsuy, Williams and Margarito. That would be my main objection to his record. With that said, he did later on beat guys that had beaten Tsuy and Margarito.

 

Relevant in terms of name/drawing power, yes. Relevant in terms of still being a force? Nah.

Styles make fights. He might have beaten people who beat people, but he never beat that guy, just the guy who beat that guy.

Add in JMM, Manny, Berto, Guerrero - it's p*ss poor resume, IMHO.

 

**** poor when you have 20+ wins and zero losses against ranked opp and in title fights over five weight classes? Tell me then what a good resume is.

And who was "that guy" then? I mean, Williams and Tsuy were good fighters, but it's not like they were standouts of their generation.

The fight against Pac should have happened in 2010, but it's far from given that the older fighter (Floyd) benefited from it happening 5 years too late. A 38-year old Floyd still comfortably beat a p4p rated opponent.

And DLH was past his best, yes, but still good enough to hold a title. Cotto would go on to become lineal MW champ. Canelo was young but already established as world class with a good number of pro fights and still undefeated. Corrales was p4p ranked and probably close to his best. JMM still had his two greatest performances ahead of him. Mosley was old but just off one of his best wins.

So let's keep a bit of perspective here, shall we.

 

I wuz going to troll you by saying that you're racist by always picking against the black fighter, but then you mentioned De Grey, Kurzweil etc. Now I can't rouse my inner troll to do so. I'm weak!

I absolutely love what those guys are doing and they are interesting to no end. If you haven't heard it, check out the De Grey podcast with Dave Asprey. It's his best yet, because Asprey has a good grasp of the field and they talk about some technical and very interesting stuff

 

Wasn't Don in Holyfields corner the night Toney stopped him?

And im sure Don recently picked McGregor to beat Mayweather (I could be wrong so ill need to double check this).

 

Floyd didn't 'struggle' with Maidana. Maidana won 4 rounds at the most in the first fight and that's if you're being generous. And that was mainly based on the fact that Floyd wasn't doing much.

Punching on the back of the head, punching the arms and punching on the back does not equate to giving Floyd a tough fight.

Maidana was dirty, that's all.

Toney lost to the best fighter he fought, he lost to the best fighter of his era.
Floyd beat them all, anyone who was significant from his era, he beat them.

Hatton, Marquez, De La Hoya, Cotto, Pacqiauo, Mosely and Canelo.

I would have liked Floyd to move up to MW and challenge Martinez but that fight never seemed to be in the talks.

 

Sam Peter and Hasim Rahman were bums.

Floyd moved up and fought Canelo, Cotto and De La Hoya.

A big difference.

 

Toney fought anyone. Money was of a cherrypicker, but still a damn good one.

 

Floyds resume and legacy shits all over Toneys.

 

it is stronger , but I am just saying toney didnt cherry pick. Floyd did.

 

That's the way I've always seen it too.

Toney's been hit way too much, throughout his career.

 

Kosta wasn't a standout of his generation? What are you on?

No, his resume is poor post 2006. It's absolutely littered with guys with weight stipulations or guys past their best.

Floyd benefited a hell of a lot more when it happened that much later than Manny did. Floyd's style lends it's self to longevity enormously, Manny's doesn't.

 

Yet he's gone through like 5 divisions and never been knocked out.

Can't be that bad if a career middle is slugging with a prime Sam Peter, surely?

 

I totally disagree that Floyd's resume was better than Toney's ( RJJ, Evander, McCallum, Peter, Rahmen, Ruiz, Barkley, and so many others ... I actually don't even think it's a close call ..imo