Thoughts on Mayweather vs McGregor...

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  1. WiDDoW_MaKeR

    WiDDoW_MaKeR ESB Hall of Fame Member Full Member

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    Floyd didn't fight that way because he "wanted to give the fans what they wanted". Neither did he fight that way because he is shot or washed up. Floyd fought the way that he did, because McGregor forced him to.

    I said before the fight that Conor could provide some uncomfortable moments for Floyd, with his different style, which would be awkward for Floyd, as he wouldn't be boxing in the manner that Mayweather is used to. I knew that Conor could hit Floyd, and I also knew that Conor wouldn't just knock Floyd out when he hit him.

    I picked Floyd to win by knockout, and I actually predicted it to happen in 5 rounds. I knew that Floyd would come at Conor, because inside and moving forward against Conor was the safest place for him. Conor is a master at fighting from range, with great use of distance, timing, and accuracy. However, inside boxing would obviously be Conor's weakest spot. In MMA, Conor would never experience a fight where him and an opponent would just be in each others chest, but only throwing punches. At that point in an MMA fight, they would be throwing knees, elbows, grappling, ect... definitely not just standing against each other boxing from the pocket. So, it was obvious that Conor would struggle most from that distance in a boxing match.

    What surprised me about this fight, and I bet it surprised Floyd as well.... was exactly how damn successful Conor was at counter punching early in the fight. Not only was he completely controlling the action from a distance, but he also was making Floyd pay almost every time that he tried to throw a punch in the first few rounds. I was shocked at how comfortable Conor was in there, and how easily he saw Floyd's punches and stayed right in there returning successful counters.

    Now, I would bet everything I have on the fact that Floyd had all intentions on going in there, walking Conor down, and taking him out in short order. He found out very quickly, within the first few seconds of the fight, that Conor's style, range, unique pressure from an uncomfortable distance for a boxer was going to be a problem.... at least in the early going. Floyd tried over and over again to implement his game plan in the earlier rounds, and was unsuccessful.

    On to Conor's conditioning. Conor was in terrific shape. Floyd was too... don't buy all of the people trying to rewrite history. Conor didn't tire out because of conditioning, and he didn't tire out because he normally only fights 25 minutes. He fatigued because he isn't a boxer, and in his very first fight, he was in a 12 round boxing match against one of the best technical boxers of all time. The mental stress of a boxing match of that magnitude isn't something that you can train for in a single training camp. That comes from years of boxing, first as an amateur, then 4 round pro fights, then moving on to 6, 8, 10, ect... To jump in from nothing but gym work, to a 12 round fight against a 49-0 boxer is an insane jump. Amazingly, McGregor was able to have some real success in there, and in ways that most of the world never thought that he would. Credit Floyd for making Conor stressed down the stretch of that fight, by walking at him with his guard up the way that he did. He was making Conor feel like he had to throw punches when he really didn't, and I think that everyone could tell that Conor was starting to wear down. Floyd's is a really smart guy in that ring.

    Anyone who says "Floyd carried him"... or "Floyd let him have early success", really needs to wake up. That doesn't happen in real life, fellas. No way on earth Floyd goes into that fight thinking "I'm going to let him have some real early success and allow him to sweep the first several rounds." Professional fighters never go into a fight with a plan to lose rounds, that's insane. The fact that McGregor forced that to happen is extremely impressive. Also, credit to Floyd for weathering the early rounds, keeping his composure, realizing what he needed to do in order to win, and making that happen. I'm sure it wasn't the way that he had hoped the fight would go, but in the end his record stays intact, he made a ton of money, and he can now retire for good.

    Congrats to Floyd on a great career. He deserves everything that he has ever earned. He has cemented himself alongside the greatest names in the history of the sport. I hope that in time people will be able to look back at his career, and appreciate what he has done. I don't want to see him box again. I still think that he is super talented, and he's definitely not washed up. However, he clearly isn't in his prime anymore either, and I wouldn't want to see him lose at this stage of his career. It's nice to see one of the sports best retire at the right time, and be able to be healthy and enjoy the rest of their life.

    For Conor, he really impressed me and put on one hell of a show. I don't feel like he should box anymore, other than for the extra money if he's after that. I feel like he can go back to the UFC and change the landscape and pay scale of MMA. He has a chance to really raise his own sport to a new level with this level of fame.
     
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  2. Farmboxer

    Farmboxer VIP Member Full Member

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    A boxer against a non-boxer, almost everyone knew he did not have a chance. Conor was 0-0-0, perhaps Golovkin should fight a 0-0-0 fighter, he then would get rich and famous instantly like Void.................

    I would like to see Void fight Conor with UFC rules, Void would not last long at all.....................
     
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  3. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    How about floyd against serena Williams at Wimbledon or
    Floyd against phelps in the pool.
     
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  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    He fought stupid and bold to maximize what diminished skills he has left and because grinding forward to wear Conor out and make him gas was the easiest route to victory.
     
  5. TinFoilHat

    TinFoilHat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This guy has it.

    McGregor countered better than most expected... But let's be real, Floyd could have KO'd him 2 rounds earlier if he was really trying to end it as quick as possible.
     
  6. sponge

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    That is still a monster.
     
  7. Paranoid Android

    Paranoid Android Manny Pacquiao — The Thurmanator banned Full Member

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    So less than Pac-May?
     
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  8. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    13k meaning they didn't sell out
     
  9. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    Maybe Golovkin should try stepping up in weight first and prove himself over multiple divisions if he wants to find competitive fights and make himself a name.

    If Gennady Golovkin isn't rich or famous enough yet, then that's down to Gennady Golovkin.
     
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  10. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bro, success? We have far different opinions on success. McGregor literally landed a single handful of effective punches the entire 9.5 rounds.


    Fmj did what he always does, took a couple rounds to gauge distance, timing and the +/- of his opponent.

    Fmj was smart enough to gauge conors vaunted 1 punch ko power, which was so far from that, was a very safe fight.

    The only shot that surprised fmj was that counter left uppercut that landed full force and flush, fmj smiled, literally. Notice how that punch never came close to landing again.

    The expectations that conor couldn't box to save his life is the only thing that's making his "success" out to be so different than it was.

    Watching live I thought McGregor could had been given the first 3 rounds, until I reviewed it a couple more times actually scoring without all the expectations like during live.

    Conor won rounds 1 and 2 only because fmj threw 8 total punches. Round 3 was pretty even where there's a case for either which is even for me.


    From round 4 on it was all fmj. Fmj told us EXACTLY what be was going to do, he goes out and does the exact thing he always claimed he'd do in this fight.


    Ok, you're claiming McGregor made fmj fight exactly how fmj himself said PRE FIGHT, you really believe McGregor made fmj fight that way ??

    Please help me out, what was all the "success" you're referring to ?
     
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  11. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Only thoughts of mine is I found it hilarious how people thought that this was going to a decision. People would go crazy if you said that this would be a stoppage LOL.
     
  12. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What I find disburbing is if we are to believe ODH, he had been claiming post fight that fmj bet on himself to win in the 10th round.

    Fmj said he bet the under on himself which was 9.5 and he claimed it paid out. That's different I feel than betting on the 10th round itself.

    Ok ok, now we need investigation into this nonsense
     
  13. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Indeed - the idea that Floyd DIDN'T carry this fraudulent fighter from some joke sport is just nonsense.

    It's OBVIOUS he did, both to get a sense of the timing, and also, frankly, to legitimize what was basically a "set-up" fight, one in which anyone outside of the mindless jarhead UFC fans knew Floyd was going to wipe this guy out - which is exactly what he did.
     
  14. BCS8

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    :lol: Conor carried him, he wasn't allowed to knock him out. You can see that after the 4th he visibly held back and pretended that he was tired to make a Mayweather win plausible. That body shot in the 9th was a mistake, he never meant to put so much sauce on it and it proves that he still had plenty left in reserve. He nearly broke Floyd in half with that shot and the ref had to step in and save the match. Floyd probably had chunks in his undies after that one. Luckily Conor was so tough that they could land realistic looking shots on him without hurting him, in the process of manufacturing a Floyd win.
     
  15. Staminakills

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    No matter how tired a fighter is after the min between rounds every fighter has a good couple aggressive shots thst can be thrown.

    Throwing to the body is easier than throwing upstairs. If that was NOT a clear low blow then that would had been a very good effective body shot. If you're not sure what a low blow is, just watch the beginning of round 9, McGregor landed a blatant low blow.

    Thst was McGregor last ditch effort to turn the tide. If that was a body shot and it hurt to the point fmj played it off, then how did he recover immediately and pummel the **** out of him that entire round ?
     
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