Thoughts on Mayweather vs McGregor...

Good Post. I agree and disagree with some points.

I was also impressed with Conor's counter-punching in the fight. His instincts to counter immediately, even after being hit was impressive. He also used his range well with his style.

I think you are wrong or are ignoring a few key things though. You are implying and stating that Conor had "real" success in the early rounds. Which I think he had success from his stand point, but not from Floyds. It was clear what Floyd was doing in there. He approached the fight with 120% confidence in himself, much like how a seasoned pro would approach a sparring session with an amateur. Conor was able to hit him, because Floyd was fighting in a style and with an intensity, that brought his level of game down many notches in the early rounds, and even throughout the fight. He knew what was going to happen, and it did.

Here are a few thoughts:
1. Why did Floyd miss with that straight right hand in the first round? I'm referring to that slow motion replay of Conor's counter uppercut that they kept replaying. You see Floyd clearly has the jump on him, and hits Conor in the shoulder? Wtf was that? The most accurate puncher of our generation, maybe ever, misses a wide open right hand? I'm not accusing anyone, but that **** was suspicious.
2. Where was Floyds jab? He threw 50 jabs. He threw in the high 200's and 300's vs former opponents. I think he didn't throw his jab, because he wanted to make the fight competitive. And that led to Conor APPEARING to have success in the early rounds with his own jab and counters. Floyd wasn't setting up his shots with anything.
3. Where was Floyd's footwork? Maybe he's old and legs are gone. Maybe he didn't use any footwork, because he wanted to be a stationary target and make the fight appear competitive.
4. Where was Floyd's Feints? Same as 2 & 3.

Now you say in real life, boxers don't "carry" other boxers. But I think Floyd did just that. I think Conor was better and more awkward then expected, but Floyd's effort in the fight was 50-75% MAX. And he had a clear vision of how he wanted the fight to go, and he fought to a level to make it happen.

Also, Conor's power is dog****, and Floyd realized that early in the first exchange on the ropes. After that, he was letting Conor jab him in the face at times.

Conor's conditioning. It's ok. You are right, the mental pressure in boxing is different, which is why the rounds step up like a ladder throughout the career. Also, the style Floyd used is exhausting to people who don't know how to deal with it. And it was a genius game plan on his part.

 

1) Watch the Ward / Kovalev fight and you will realise that it was fully legit.
2) Conor was carrying Floyd to a win. It's clear there was a pre-match agreement.

 

I feel like skip **** bayless has all his children, grand children and relatives on this forum that have his delusional viewpoints and make fools of themselves with NO SHAME.

Bayless refuses to let facts, video evidence and common sense ever enter into any debate he engages in.

 

Ok, I'll play. Am I watching ward/kov to realise the mcquitter or ward low body attempts were legit ? Which way am I supposed to lean. I agree, mcquitter was way too much for that prime fmj.

Saying this, was it ward or kovalev that was doing the carrying?

 

Come back to earth.

 

Just poking fun at Zakman who can't seem to believe how crap PBF looked and how good Conor looked. So he's got to invent conspiracies to explain things.

Hey, neither did I believe that it would be that close. I genuinely thought it would be a straight up ass whipping and that Floyd would lump him up and get him outta there by the 6th, with Conor looking like he was catching a bus most of the fight.

I think that:

1) Floyd had slipped even though he looked like a million bucks
2) Floyd couldn't handle the pressure and never really could
3) Conor was a lot better than anybody including me, gave him credit for
4) The size difference played a big role.
5) The age difference played a role

And that's why the fight was actually competitive and not an execution.

All other theories of "carrying" are sheer fanboyism of people who can't see the fight for what it was.

 

[url]https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/9/5/16256428/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-george-foreman-boxing-ufc-mma-news[/url]

 

I agree that a world class fighter, even if they aren't a "boxer", can be good, skilled and dangerous with their punches. They still train boxing techniques regularly. Although there are aspects, technical points and levels that aren't reached or touched if you aren't in their with world class boxers and trainers.

I just disagree with you about how good Conor did, and how effective he was. It's a hard argument, because I saw him have success early (although I think it was over exaggerated). We just have different opinions on Floyd's intentions, motivations and "struggle" in there. Which is fine. I feel if Floyd went in there with a game plan to blow him out, box his ears off and make it look real easy, and had a legit training camp to do so, everybody would be having a completely different conversation about what was seen in there that night.

Also, you're judgement on Conor's ability to manage range and hit from a distance is based on his performances from his MMA fights with shorter undersized wrestlers (with the exception of Aldo). And then there is this fight with Floyd, which I feel like Floyd approached as a sparring session.

Conor has bad head movement. He was able to evade some punches and counter, but those punches weren't set up with a jab or any feints.

After the 3rd round, after barely throwing 10 punches a round, Floyd smiled while walking back to his corner and said "It's Time!". Then the next round he switched his style, and started walking him down with the high guard. I think it's obvious what happened and that it was planned ahead of time. Play around at 50% max the first 3 rounds, let him tire a little, then switch it up and drain the rest of his gas tank using 75-80% until the finish.

But I get what you're saying. Out of Curiosity. How do you think Conor would perform against:

Paulie (Current)?
Spence or Crawford?
Floyd (Who fought Pacman)?
Broner?
Algieri?

 

Excerpt:

“The referee protected Mayweather in one of the last rounds,” Foreman said (transcript via [url]MMA Fighting[/url]). (Conor) hurt him. “He had him hurt, and was going for the finish, and the referee stepped in for no reason at all and stopped it. It was a vicious body punch.”

“Conor had him with a good body shot and the referee saved him, but that's typical of a boxing match.”

[url]https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2017/9/5/16256428/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-george-foreman-boxing-ufc-mma-news[/url]

 

Did McGregor accidentally let loose a real punch in his barrage of fake punches in this fixed fight? LOL!

 

LOL

The referee even needs to help Floyd in a fixed fight.

 

That's interesting. It may make me curious enough to take the time and watch that exhibition event.

 

Yeah, Conor vs Paulie would be very interesting. Paulie is even smaller than Floyd, and not nearly as strong. The only question mark for me would be Conor's gas tank. I can't believe I'm saying this, but it's a toss up for me.

You already know my answer to that, Floyd would actually use his jab, and win 40-36. Possibly get a stoppage in the 4th. It's harder to breathe when you're getting constantly jabbed in the face and swinging at air.