Would Ezzard Charles last 15 against a prime Dempsey?

i actually think a prime charles knocks dempsey out, a little insulting of you to suggest the greatest light heavy, any era would certainly lose to a 190lb'er

 

Its possible but improbable ,imo Dempsey was a lot more dynamic and less measured about his attacks,he wanted you out of there as soon as!

 

Reigning champion 30 years old Charles was knocked spark out by one left hook from 194lbs Joe Walcott.
I think Dempsey's left hook,[which was his best punch ,] was harder than Walcott's so-------

 

the walcott ko was a terrific heavy shot, landed perfectly by a big puncher, on an unaware, defenseless charles. i dont know much about dempsey but he could undoubtedly land his left hook with his fast, swarming style. but would charles be in the same position? charles was nearly lulled to sleep before the punch landed, when you see him in with louis for example you see a man in stout concentration, wary of making mistakes, constantly neutralizing his opponents attack and establishing his own offense.

archie moore was just as clever as walcott, albeit smaller but faster when he fought charles, and could not land that shot in 3 fights. another clever puncher burley could not find it in 2 fights. i dont think charles was physically past his prime, but mentally he just didnt seem all there. against a finisher of dempseys reputation charles will be at his best and at his best he can at least avoid being stopped

 

Dempsey was much quicker than Marciano as well as being the far greater overall technical fighter. Marciano beat Charles twice. Dempsey at his best should do the same.

 

Unaware ? Defenceless? he was in a fight defending his title! How was he either unaware or defence less? Lulled to sleep? OMG!
Moore was 173,172,174lbs for his trio of fights with Charles,and he had Charles on the verge of a kayo in one of them.
"Midway in the eighth round, Moore caught Charles with a terrific left hook and followed his advantage.... Charles was definitely on the verge of a kayo.."
"Charles didn't seem all there".Yet it was voted fight of the year!
Charles was 30 years old when Walcott ko'd him.
Burley was 151lbs and 155lbs when he fought Charles conceding 9lbs in their first fight and5.5lbs in their second!

Lloyd Marshall at 165lbs ,3 lbs lighter than Charles floored him7 times for an 8 round stoppage!
You say not only Dempsey can't do this, he gets ko'd by Charles!
Yeah sure!

 

by defenseless i meant that walcott hit charles while he had his lead hand out and his right not in position to defend. by unaware i meant that he did not see the punch coming (is this true? i doubt charles himself knows since he was immediately out) i just dont see charles being in that same mental state with the always attacking, always dangerous dempsey.

there is a group of thought, of which i am not a part of, who believe that charles led on moore to the knockout in their third fight, purposely getting hit in order to invite moore in. if true charles could spring the same trap on dempsey. if not true it means charles is still dangerous while hurt, and exciting things could happen if dempsey hurt charles (in the ring).

it was voted fight of the year because it was for the heavyweight title, won by a person who was defeated by the other in their previous two fights, the same person who had already tried for the heavyweight title four times before and it was ended through a hellacious, sudden ko. would it have won fight of the year if charles had popped his knee or something right before the moment of the stoppage and had forfeited, and it was not for the title?

and dempsey was stopped by fireman flynn, who sounds like the name of a lazy invention of some pbs writer, in one. he had mixed results with willie meehan in an absurd series, a man of the kind of proportions and belt size of which you are obviously not a fan of. yes our heroes can lose from time to time but we are not pitting archie moore against willie meehan are we? or fireman flynn against charley burley? and who would win in those fights i wonder?

 

You said Moore could not land that shot in 3 fights,I showed he did.
You gave super welterweight Burleys failure to drop Charles as proof Dempsey could not
I gave you a small light heavyweight against Charles ,a small light heavy who dropped him7 times and stopped him!

ps No one was more dangerous when hurt than Dempsey,watch the Firpo fight!

 

ezzard beat loyd marshal twice by knockout, and probably only loss to marshall the first time was because he was coming off a loss to bivins and got back in the ring too early.

even if dempsy beat ezzard the first time , I guarantee ezzard whips him the 2nd , 3rd and fourth time they fight just like he did everyone else.

dont bring up that bum marciano who fought nothing but bums and beat some old men atg to enhance his resume. ezzard had over 100 fights before loosing to this bum.

 

First off....Marciano is universally considered an ATG hwt champion. He was as far away from a "bum" as Louis or Ali.

Marciano retired 49-0 and he was the only hwt champion to retire undefeated. His consistency alone lofts him wayyyyyy above "bum" level.

Regarding Dempsey vs Charles we are talking Dempsey at his best. Not the Dempsey that lost to Flynn but Prime Dempsey who both Arcel and Langford called the greatest hwt ever to live. That Dempsey kos Charles.

 

The guy is new here...don't be an *******!!!

 

I edited the last bit out just now. Does he know that a few months after beating Dempsey ,Meehan beat Sam Langford?

 

Fantastic matchup.

EZ was the better boxer overall and would outpoint Dempsey if it went the distance. But, Dempsey was fast starter and had good footwork to get in close, also speed and power to really do some damage. I don't think Charles will have time to set up, box or be cute. Dempsey is manic and it will become a slugfest.

If Ezzard could survive and get into the later rounds he could catch a slowing Dempsey and perhaps win on points. But I don't think he makes it that far.

Dempsey by KO