I'd pick Oleksander Usyk to beat Max Schmeling

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Sep 10, 2017.


Am I crazy?

  1. Yes, you're crazy.

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  2. No, you're not crazy but I don't agree with you

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  3. Usyk wins.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Usyk destroyed veteran Marco Huck at the Schmeling arena last night, and it just put me in mind of the wily German. A very clever and talented fighter was Schmeling. The thing is though, at just 13-0, Usyk has a weird but fundamental grasp of the ebb and flow of fights. I understand that five months ago, Usyk didn't really look that great, proof that he has a lot to learn, but against Huck he looked monstrous. He's peaked physically, too. Anyway, it'll be two more fights at 200, then off to hw for the Ukrainian.

    Usyk is two inches taller than Schmeling with a two inch reach advantage, he'd come to the ring at unlimited weighing about 220 and he's faster. Usually faster and bigger is reason enough for me to make a pick when two fighters are of the same class, the question is, can Usyk be named as being in the same class as Schmeling? The answer is that it is absolutely unproven. The conservative pick would be Schmeling, and it's certainly not a bad pick. Usyk could prove me very, very wrong in his very next fight by getting KTFO, so this kind of statement is always a bit ridiculous.

    Even so, you make picks for fights based upon what you see, where possible, not based upon who did or didn't beat Joe Louis; I don't think Schmeling could out-think this inexperienced fighter, I think his grasp of fighting strategy is just incredible already. He could out-punch him but Jesus Uysk has good and fast feet. Huck hit him, but only when he started to really really bring the pressure.

    I thought that was a big leap forwards for him last night and i'm ready to pick him over a borderline heavyweight great already.

    Am I crazy?
     
  2. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    I like this thread already.....sure to ruffle some feathers!
    I also think you may well be correct.
     
  3. The Long Count

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    Huck was over the hill be careful when praising someone so much off a pretty shot fighter.
    Usyk does have great feet and a natural feel for the sport. He can go places. Let's see how he does against Gassiev. Or Perez/Breidis.
    He put forth a very solid performance yesterday.
    I still side with Max- who could punch at heavy. And had impeccable timing. Usyk hasn't shown that sort of pop.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    He's already crushed Krzysztof Glowacki who was ranked at #2, higher than both Perez (unranked) and Breidis (6). Gassiev is #2 now and I think he's better than Glowacki. That will be a really good fight.

    Either way, if Usyk was fighting Schmeling next, I wouldn't be able to wait for any of these things before making a pick.
     
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  5. The Long Count

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    Well I want to see how Perez looks since he's a legit heavy who has moved down. Good test. If he isn't completely drained/shot which tends to happen (Byrd).
    Gassiev is the guy that fight needs to happen.
    Ok if I can't wait for those results I have to pick Max. Maybe by default knowing his career in its entirety. Usyk looked great last night no denying it, loved the stamina and the movement. Looked like Tunney. But Huck is too far over the hill to make that the fight that allows me to pick him over Max.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, the stamina was the thing. Engine confirmed for sure.
     
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  7. Unforgiven

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    I'd pick Max.
    I don't see anything particularly impressive about Usyk if we are comparing him to historical fighters.
    For the current moment he's a good fighter though.
     
  8. Perry

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    Until a young up and coming unproven fighter proves himself long term the foolish bet is on the young up and coming unproven fighter vs a near ATG.

    Let's see how he does over the next 5-10 years then we can talk.

    Remember Kovalev being talked about as an ATG by amateurs until body blows from not that heavy a banger made him cave in very quickly.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Ah, your new Tyson Fury :lol:

    Seriously though, he's got a very, very hard fight if/when he runs into Gassiev. Gassiev is real. I mean Glowacki was real, but Gassiev is really real. We'll know a bit more then.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    No you're not crazy, but I don't agree. Neither Loma nor Usyk have fought a top class fighter who can punch really well. I suspect that when they do, their styles will appear more vulnerable.

    I favor Gassiev over Usyk, and I consider Louis much better than Murat.

    Usyk definitely has the class and skill to make it a really good fight. It would be crazy not to give him a chance.
     
  11. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No more than that Foreman poster who has the 90s heavyweights beating everyone. If that is what your experience in boxing tells you then shout it from the rooftops. Watching Mikey Garcia's last fight, I think he kicks Hagler s ass and stops him.
     
  12. reznick

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    Reminds me of the Kovalev thread here where people were saying we was as good as Joe Louis, and would go 50/50 against the top 10 LHWs in history.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Fury did improve. Usyk can improve, definitely.
    But as of now, I can't see anything in him to match against the best Max Schmeling.
    Huck did absolutely nothing to test him.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    But he tried everything. He had his patented rushes, he tried countering off the ropes, he came square and threw rights, he got rough and broke the rules, he tried everything we've seen him try.

    But he didn't win one minute of one round for me.

    It's definitely the case that his feet are slower and that really really matters for him, but that domination was crazy.

    Glowacki had to get in with Huck and break him, but Usyk, it was like he was sparring.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Usyk beat him pretty good, yes.