Why Mike Tyson at his best beats prime Ali

Tyson had a much better chin than Frazier. Could Fraizer take as many shots from Ruddock as Tyson did? Or could Fraizer even at his best take the punishment Tyson took from Lewis for 8 rounds in 2002?

I think Tyson could take more shots from Ali than Frazier could from Lewis or Ruddock. And that just supports my POV more because Ali didn't drop Frazier in nearly 45 rounds despite raining hell and fury down but Bonavena did twice and so did one Mike Bruce

Yeah Ali could EVENTUALLY put some hurt on Tyson but thats way down the line in the fight and Tyson wont wildly swing about tiring himself out like George Foreman did.

 

If youre going to say Bruno didnt hit hard as Shavers or that Ruddock or Lewis couldnt rival Foreman in punching power, dont just assert it, show your work.

I mean the only way to know would be to scientifically test it. The only other way to know is to look at their results in the ring. The above named had KOs every bit as vicious against similar caliber opponents as Shavers and Foreman FOR THE MOST PART and even then, Dokes and Smith were argualy more DURABLE (not overall better fighters) than Norton or Ellis.

 

Like he had the iron chinned, 275 pound Floyd Patterson laid out for a 10 count in round 7.....oh wait....

Patterson was 190ish lbs and wasnt exactly known for his iron chin and had a bad back and yet managed to take the best punches of his bigger opponent and finish on his feet.

But a young 218 lbs Mike Tyson who was essentially a mega Patterson with a MUCH more durable chin will be laid out in 7???

Someone posted in the Max Baer vs Riddick Bowe thread that this board can't be beat for comic relief and I see how he came to that conclusion.

 

Because both were as fast and skilled as a prime Tyson and as good defensively?

Bruno was slightly larger than a 70s Foreman and from what I've seen on film of both knocking out opponents on their way up, Bruno's KOs look just as devastating, thats all I'm saying. Im just asking by what standard are we measuring power besides what we observe on film?

Obviously you must have some objective method of rating fighters punching power besides what we see on film. Im asking what that method is.

 

No my logic is that its absurd to see Ali rain down clean punches from all angles on Patterson with bad intentions and Patterson doesnt fall, yet if you make Patterson 30 lbs of muscle bigger and greatly improve his chin, he gets stopped in 7 rounds flat on his back! Norton was never dropped either and Tysons chin >>>> Nortons

My logic is Ali would be up against one of the best chins he's ever seen, better than the chins of the overwhelming amount of his opponents that he DIDNT stop.

So except for Tyson being fatigued I cant see how its logical to expect Ali to stop Tyson. I can see a decision win, sure. Its unlikely a prime Tyson who could go 12 rounds would get tired.

Furthermore and Im not referring to you, there are people on this board that will say that guys like Marciano or Dempsey or Satterfield couldn't hurt Tyson or any other modern heavyweight, but Ali would be laying out modern heavies. But all 3 of the above hit harder than Ali.