Jack Dempsey vs Larry Holmes????

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Dempsey and Holy for 200 get the greatest argument for me but I'm not favoring either.
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Uzcudun was born in the 1800's, and beat 1930's ATG Max Baer.
     
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    I forgot Evander ,good choice!
     
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    Sting like a bean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    To put it bluntly, you have nothing remotely resembling evidence that is commensurate to the boldness of that claim.

    What is supposed to have happened after 1930 that so drastically -and so incontrovertibly- improved the quality of heavyweight fighters?

    One highly underrecognized bias, which as far as I'm aware doesn't even have a name, is what I call "iconoclasm bias", in which the mere fact that a proposition may be unpalatable somehow increases the likelihood that the person arguing for it is "just being real".

    You know, bias flows equally freely in all directions. That's why it's so hard to think well. An attempt to correct a genuine bias is extremely prone to overcompensation, simply supplanting one bias with another.
     
  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Very well said, great post.
     
  6. Tomsharkeyfan

    Tomsharkeyfan New Member Full Member

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    I agree McVey. The Holmes jab was fast and powerful. And Larry could hit with power. If boxer/puncher Bill Brennan gave Dempsey a tough fight, Holmes would definitely be a nightmare for Dempsey.
     
  7. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes UD. I would only pick prime Ali over prime Holmes.
     
  8. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    Holmes wins.
     
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    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes by mid rounds ko
     
  10. mike foreman

    mike foreman Member banned Full Member

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    Well under 200 lbers the ones I give a reasonable chance to upset prime Holmes are the following

    Ezzard Charles
    Cruiser version of Evander Holyfield
    Jersey Joe Walcott
    Roy Jones, Jr (who beat Ruiz)
    Rocky Marciano

    To a lesser extent
    Billy Conn
    Floyd Patterson
    Eddie Machen

    Ring Magazine had Walcott vs Holmes as one of their greatest fights of all time that never happened.

    Unfortunately I cannot include Primo Carnera or Fred Fulton as they are over 200 pounds.
     
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  11. mike foreman

    mike foreman Member banned Full Member

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    Idk. Can you really say Jack Sharkey couldnt take Lennox Lewis???
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    And Walcott and Machen are over 190lbs and so was Jones when he fought Ruiz.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I don't agree with that statement,nor do I agree that Baer is either a modern heavyweight, or that he is an ATG.
     
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    mike foreman Member banned Full Member

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    I said under 200 lbs in my post but I guess they wouldnt be under 190
     
  15. mike foreman

    mike foreman Member banned Full Member

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    Baer not an ATG???? Surely ye jest