Would Tommy Burns learn new skills in a modern 101 Boxing class?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    If Tommy Burns laced 'em up, and went to an LA fitness Boxing 101 class, would he learn any new skills? Such as jabbing, combos, etc?

    I hear a lot of people saying he didn't have skills of modern fighters, and I'm trying to explore how far this claim goes. Would he have learned anything at a modern Boxing 101 class at a fitness center?
     
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  2. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe he would be the teacher, not the student.
     
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  3. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    He'd learn how to throw arm punches with aplomb!
     
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  4. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was heavyweight champion of the world in his prime with around 50 professional bouts. He would be teaching the class.
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Burns wasn't trying to be a champion of excercise but he was a fighter thru and thru. Not sure how that would go over with today's fitness instructors.
     
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  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He can't jab and throw combos, but he'd tear through the bag like a windmill.
    Something vague and folklory like that?
     
  7. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    What would his reaction be when the instructor goes: "Okay guys. This is the 1. It's a straight punch with your lead hand. This is the 2; it's a straight punch with your right hand. You want to bring it over your back foot and shoot it down the pipe."

    You think this would be something revelatory for Tommy?

    What about when the trainer introduces hooks and says:
    "Okay guys, I want you to do a 1-2-3-4."

    You think Burns would be changing up and improving his game right then and there?
     
  8. Unforgiven

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    He wouldn't learn much. He's just stepped out the time machine from 1906 and he wouldn't be able to keep his eyes off them girls.
     
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  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would not understand the terminology as that's jargon, not techniques, from more recent history.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Before he was hammered by the much larger Johnson,Burns was considered a master of in-fighting.Excellent at getting into range and gliding out again,his footwork was honed from playing top class lacrosse.Burns had the skills to defeat larger men such as Hart and the boxing ability to overcome crafty stylists such as O Brien,aside from advanced nutrition and diet , what would he learn from modern boxing classes?
     
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  11. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Burns was an excellent fighter, just not much of a heavyweight.
     
  12. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tommy Burns was buried in an unmarked grave,~Grave 3, Plot 451, Balsam Section, Ocean View Cemetery, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. But the record of Tommy Burns is marked. It says that a man who never was heavy enough to be called a heavyweight was fighter enough to rule the heavyweights as Champion.
     
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  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    So not one person thinks he would learn anything new in a boxing 101 class?

    Strange, but okay.

    So when does he start experiencing the evolution of technique in the sport? Is it when he goes into an actual modern boxing gym and is told to keep his hands higher?

    Is it when he is instructed to throw a combo ending in the body, to pivot 90 degrees, and to step back?
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    There's been no "evolution of technique" since Burns was fighting.
    All the punches and all the defensive techniques were known and written down in books at that time.

    There might be better fighters nowadays but no new techniques have been invented or developed through some mysterious "evolution".
    Modern boxing has been around 300 years or more.
     
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  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    This is only true if you define "technique" very narrowly, as the basic mechanics of certain boxing tactics. But if you think of technique more broadly, such that it encompasses: a) how these mechanics and tactics become routinized in practice; and b) how fighters implement them as components of their overall fight strategies, then there has clearly been an evolution of technique.
     
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