Why Prime Mike Tyson beats a 70s George Foreman

Need I remind you that most consider Shavers a harder hitter than Foreman yet isnt an ATG.

Being an ATG doesnt mean therefore you hit hardest

Video? Yes video. Back up your assertion with evidence and if you keep skating around it that means you either dont have any or you misunderstand what im saying so let me help you out. Lets take a look at Foreman vs 214 lb Norton

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Observe that Norton, not the most durable fighter is on his feet when the fight is stopped. After taking a succession of clean shots. Foreman weighed 224 lbs so he held a 10 pound weight advantage over a non iron chinned opponent

Now lets look at another one

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Ruddock was 230 pounds compared to Smiths 250 pounds. SMITH WAS NOT MORE SKILLED THAN NORTON. So lets get that out the way.

But he was 25 pounds bigger and a lot more durable than Norton and was left unconscious. So here we have Ruddock leaving unconscious a larger more durable opponent while Norton was on his feet.

Explain how tbe punches that hit Norton were harder than the ones that hit Smith.

Your friend,

Uncle Mike

 

We can all hear what Holmes said about the Tyson fight right here. Just scroll to the post fight interviews

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Shavers was the same level of contender Ruddock and Smith, who at least held a belt, was. But you havent demonstrated what that has to do with punching power or lack thereof.

Did Mercer hit harder than Holmes? Yes.

Which one was an ATG? Not Mercer.

And the general consensus is Shavers hit harder than Norton. At least thats what all of their common opponents say. The only way we can really know is to scientifically test it.

The next best thing is to go by film results. Anything else is just a wild guess. And if we're just guessing, one wild guess is as good as another. Someone might say Mike Weaver was the hardest hitter of all time and if we're just guessing and going with the answer we feel like, then that answer is as valid as anyone elses guess.

Unless we have an objective standard. Mine is video and testemonial reports. Sure it may be imperfect, but its the best I got. Im asking whats your objective standard?

 

Wrong. It does. Ray Robinson was one of the best lb for lb KO punchers. Nearly any 160 and under he could crush. But do you think he hit harder than Ali, who in his weight class was about average in power?

I mean there is overlap the higher you go in weight. Robinson no way hit harder in absolute terms than Ali, but Marciano did even though he was 185 or so.

But if weight meant nothing then the hardest hitters wouldnt be heavyweights. You may find a LHW or cruiser that hit harder than some decent punching heavies but no way will you find a flyweight that hits harder than a heavy

Now its very possible that a 225 pound power puncher hits harder than a 250 pound power puncher. But we still have to be reasonable. The question is how much harder?

And if said 250 lb power puncher rained down his best blows on opponent X and then 225 lb power puncher fights same opponent X, all things being equal, its highly improbable that he hits so much harder that he can do in a few shots what 250 lb power puncher did in hundreds of shots.

I read that Lewis hit Tyson with 200 or so punches before he went down. A washed up Tyson but you want me to think Foreman blasts Tyson out in a few punches what it took Lewis a couple hundred to do??

Thats unreasonable. And frankly, if Lewis eas in yhe ring with Fraizer, I think Lewis keeps Fraizer down. Fraizer may want to rise, but just physically cant.