"Tommy Burns vs. Dwight M. Qawi"

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  1. leverage

    leverage Active Member Full Member

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    Qawi eats burns for lunch, toying with him before knocking him out. Qawi was one of the greatest short fighters I have ever seen, mixing excellent defensive skills and agression with great conterpunching skills. He was like a locomotive train that gradually picked up speed (much like joe frazier but technically much better). Burns would have no answer for this because the fighters he faced wer primative in their skills and didn't punch in combination. No contest at all, and I'm not a racist.
     
  2. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I gotta at least respect that notion / thought.......:D

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  3. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I think you need to go back to the drawing board and actualy study some footage of Burns and the oponents he faced.

    Of course they punched in combination.
     
  4. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    i have saw the burns fights on Youtube and read alot of fight reports but i have only saw a few rounds with qawi in them so i know more about burns

    but that was stupid of me i dont really know enoguh about any of them
     
  5. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Janitor,

    I also have been guilty of claiming old time fighters lacked combination punching technique / ability........ NOT ALL!! However, a lot of old timers' did merely throw one or two shots and then hold or regroup...... But from what I saw on my tape of the "Johnson-Burns" fight from 1908, both guys were throwing combination punches against each other.... In fact, since Johnson was so much bigger and stronger, he did a lot of holding, grabbing & shoving against the smaller but stocky Burns..... Cheers.....

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  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    Many fighters of that era as you say are obviously from another era.

    Burns is one who would not look out of place in the 40s.
     
  7. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would bet on Burns. I like Qawi, but I think Burns would beat him by decision or late round stoppage. I think it would be a great fight to watch!
     
  8. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tommy Burns was about 180 pounds when he was hammered by Johnson back in '08... But Burns looked solid......... I'm sure Burns could've made 175 at that time, but what about 168? I know Super-Middle was not in existance back then.... Just a thought.... Burns had muscle with no flab...... He looked like a wrestler.....

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  9. mcvey

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    Burns was inside the LH limit when he successfully defended his heavyweight title against reigning LH Champ O Brien ,so he could have claimed that crown as well.
     
  10. MRBILL

    MRBILL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm curious as to how great a LT. Heavy Champ Burns MIGHT have been had he stayed down at 175 pounds.?.? How would've Burns done with post dudes like "Charles & Patterson?"

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  11. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Agree with most of this. The "didn't punch in combination" part is an overstatement but has way more than a kernel of truth to it. Qawi outjabs, out-counters him, and consistently beats him to the punch while slipping Burns' punches. In my opinion he likely also gets the best of Burns on the inside. Based on what I've seen, it's hard for me to imagine a prime 175-lb Qawi ever losing to Burns
     
  12. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great comments so far. Hard to pick this one. I lean toward Tommy. His mobility would be a big plus, and he was a really tough dude against anyone his size or even close to his size. He took a punch really well and packed quite a wallop for his size. Intriguing matchup.
     
  13. richdanahuff

    richdanahuff Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I really don't see this one as all that difficult. Qawi was extraordinarily adept at slipping and rolling with punches and therefore extremely difficult to hit flush, even while he was bringing nonstop pressure. It's hard for me to imagine Burns hitting Qawi flush with any of those naked lead rights. Qawi regularly outjabbed bigger, better jabbers than Burns, and could win rounds from distance if he chose. He was excellent on the inside, and threw great uppercuts and short body punches (see his fight against MSM).
     
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