Prime Pipino Cuevas vs Manny Pac at welterweight

What do you find unbelievable about it? Did Pipino put up a good fight against Hearns in your opinion? He was unable to counter everything Hearns threw at him and was unable to evade. Do you imagine Pac being such a stationary target and not being able to find angles against Hearns like Haggler did? That indicates a crucial difference in fighting skills. Also Duran beat Pipino. I don't imagine Duran doing the same to a prime Pac.

 

U had Pac stopping Hearns in your post similar to the way he stopped Margarito.
I mean come on my man Pac stopping Hearns????? Maybe as likely as hell freezing over. Hearns would absolutely knock the living sh#t out of Pac.
Also the Cuevas that fought Duran was so far past it you cant include that into the equasion or for that matter the Hearns that KO'd Cuevas. Hearns being 6'1 with a HW reach and Pac being 5'6

 

Pipino would kayo Manny in about 3 rounds. Too much unnatural power.

 

Cuevas. and early.

He really had under rated handspeed in there and it was always something opponents underestimated. By the time they tried to re-adjust to it, the fight was over. Cuevas had a great left hook to the body and the head. Most big punch guys are 1 or the other. And that punch sizzled the first few rounds of a fight.

With that massive reach advantage and sizzler left hook, I think he hurts the pacman to the body. Afterall Pacman is going to be right in front of him. If he lands his big shots to the body, Manny is not going to absorb it. Then Pepino comes up over the top.

Like mentioned by Pernell Sweetpea above, a brutal ending by a guy that had a ton of brutal ko's & Manny goes out similar to Marquez. But earlier.

Too many good welterweights thru the years to put the Pacman in there with and this guy is one of them.

 

Pac Man ,Cuevas was just a hooker,if he lands flush its all over ,but I think Manny would be too elusive and quick for him.

 

Correct.

But the big thing not to ignore is the way he worked that hook to the body and the head. He telegraphed what he was going to do but he really didn't telegraph whether he was going to the body or the head. With that size advantage and long arms of his, I just don't like Manny staying in front of this guy. He is the danger zone at all times and I think he does not absorb to the body all that well. A Cuevas left hook to the body is actually worse than a shot upstairs, in this particular instance.

 

I would have to go with peak Cuevas on this one.

 

Lol, this was a good start to
My day. Hoping that this is satire or sarcasm too subtle for the masses (a ploy that I like to employ as well from time to time), rather than the scarier thought of an honest assessment. Either way I needed the laugh

 

I'm talking about a prime Packman not the version we have today.

 

Height and reach can be advantages in the right hands but they aren't a surefire guarantee that the shorter fighter will lose. That's because of other factors that are essential such as a solid chin come into play. Hearns could knock you out if he could keep you at the end of his punches as he did Pipino. However, his chin was his Achilles heel. If Pipino had possessed the same skill and chin as did Hagler, it would have been Pipino by KO.

You prefer to imagine Pacmen as unable to do that what Haggler and Ray did? I prefer to imagine him just as capable via evading Hearn's power by moving in and out at bewildering angles and inflicting damage until the Hearns chin gives way as it did against SRL, MMH, and Iran Barkley. In fact, I consider it a very strong llikelihood. So I guess we disagree on that.

BTW

Your trust in height and reach is too inflexible.

Marvin Hagler was only 5'9" tall. That's four inches shorter than Hearns.
Leaonard was just 5' 10" That's three inches shorter than Hearns

Six-feet-six Wladimir Klitscho was KOD by shorter men .

Brewster was six feet 2.
Purity was six feet three

Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez is another example of a shorter fighter overcoming height and reach.

Primo Carnera is a notorious example of height and reach being nullified.

Jess Willard was 6 ft 6 1⁄2 in (199 cm) tall.
Dempsey was only 6'1""

Yet Dempsey battered him from pillar to post.

 

Pac has no chance against the motor city cobra.. his lack of head movement is a prime target for that hearns jab and power ... sorry Pac.. you and Floyd both go down

 

Want some of that you smoking.

 

I'm fairly confident Hearns could beat Pac and Floyd on the same night.

 

Height is one factor,.The main reason is his frame, along with the height that would make him a pretty easy fight for the best welters of that era. He is a natural jr.Light weight / featherweight. The fighters from that era trained down to the welter limit to be at their most effective weight. Those fighters usually walked around at 160,or heavier. Pac along with Mayweather have small frames. (could you see Pac or May fighting effectively fighting at middle or heavier? Well most of those fighters could and did) So yes the height along with the FRAME or bone structure would make him ineffective against the best fighters of past eras. 5'6" Dwight Braxton (Qawi) was effective at light heavy, but Braxton had the frame to carry the weight, though he was quite a bit shorter than your average light heavy. He was the exception to the rule.

 

Cuevas by KO. Pac would have to stick to boxing to win.However, he probably would mix it up at times and get caught.