Is boxing more of a show than sport

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    For the first time, I'm going to say yes.

    If this were baseball, the Yankees would have a 2 run advantage each game.

    If this were track, the other runners would get the outside lane all time and the most popular runner get site inside track.

    And in boxing, the biggest PPV draw can get as much as 3-4 rounds on his score card to prevent a loss.

    Let's call it what it is. Punches landed don't seem to matter as much as a golden goose or if you prefer cash cow preserving his status so those making money on him can do it again for his next fight.

    The promoter should never pick his own judges, and there needs to be a neutral commission covering the entire body, only then will it quality as sport.
     
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  2. Ilikeboxing

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    If you change the word "Show" to "Business" than yes, it completely is in Vegas. Canelo losing tonight cleanly would have cost GBP millions in future PPV buys, because its easier to sell Canelo as a legit MW title holder with a draw rather than a loss.
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Either way, but a sport should be fair.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    It's always been that way.

    That's why we say "house fighter".

    But I thought a draw was OK last night.
     
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  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    WHAT? This was he worst draw since Whitakter vs Chavez.

    Present your card, sir. Now it was not. GGG won 7-8 rounds. I bet on the judge's cards they gave every close round to Canelo, and some GGG's round by a smaller margin also to Canelo.

    Pick your favorite sport, and let me know if you think it's okay when your team faces a much more popular TV draw that the rules change.

    Just add points to the more popular opponent, or rater have the officials disallow your teams, scoring for whatever reasons.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    :lol: Mendoza, what you on about?

    How many ringsiders had Whitaker-Chavez a draw?

    Sporting News, The Denver Post, AP, LA Times and Yahoo, among others, all had the fight a draw.

    Of all the media cards collated, the biggest single % were 115-113 Golovkin - that's ONE ROUND BETWEEN THEM.

    "The worst draw since Whitaker-Chavez"?

    gtfo of here.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    I'd see it like this:

    Clear Golovkin rounds: 4,5,6,7,11
    Clear Alvarez rounds: 2,3,10
    Very close: 1,8,9,12

    So Golovkin didn't get himself clearly across the line for me. Those pick and chose rounds killed him.

    In the end, the majority of ringsiders had it close. The majority of ringsiders had it close.
     
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  8. Ilikeboxing

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    I had Canelo up by the first two rds, and give him the 11th. The rest GGG just outworked him and had him running all night long. 12th round, Canelo did grow some balls and decided to trade a little, he soon backed off after he knew what he was in for.
     
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  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Look how it was scored. 118-110? And notice how the 114-114 needed to give Canelo round 7 a round you view correctly as very clear for GGG!

    This was a fixed event by the judges. I asked of your score, not the media who has to sometimes consider the biggest star in boxing's fan base before telling the truth.

    Just a hunch, LA has a heavy latino population.

    Which boxing person scored it for Canelo? WHO.
     
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  10. Mendoza

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    PLEASE take a look at the punch stats and tell me how round 8 and 9 was close?

    [url]http://www.*******.com/canelo-vs-golovkin-compubox-punch-stats--120563[/url]

    Round 8. GGG lands 21, Canelo 11

    Round 9. GGG lands 24, Canelo 13

    We have a near two to one round ratio on punches landed, and its clear GGG was making the fight.
     
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  11. qwertyblahblah

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    What makes boxing more a show than a proper sport isn't just that promoters pay officials, but that self-interested promoters with stakes in individual boxers pick and choose matches. Boxing won't be a proper sport till all commissions, promoters, and title bodies merge into a single international governing body, that makes matches with a set scheduling structure.

    Because boxing is more a show, why do we care so much about bad decisions (and mismatches)? I'm starting to cynically think because it's not a sport bouts shouldn't be officially scored.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Yeah, obviously the 118-110 card is abhorrent.

    OK, so the LA card is racist. The fight was still scored close from ringside. That's a fact Mendoza: close cards outweigh wide cards - fact. All also racists? Happy to put that off on racism too? Or is it not more likely that the LA Times just scored it close, like the slight majority?

    Boxing people who scored it for Canelo: no point in offering up these. Mexicans, Golden Boy associates and Gareth Davies of the Telegraph :lol: (he used to be good...). You'll dismiss the Telegraph card, accuse the Mexicans of racism and the Golden Boy associates as biased. And you know what? You'll be right about the Golden Boy mob. But there's no point in my typing those names for you. It is impossible for you to accept the possibility that some of them might be genuine. Because there are Mexicans in LA, that, alone, is enough for you to dismiss a newspaper card.

    That's amateur boxing you're thinking about.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    I didn't think a draw was too bad, but I say the same about Lewis v Holyfield 1. And people scream blue murder over that one too.
    A draw is only a halfway robbery after all.
    Golovkin did enough to win.

    Professional boxing is fixed, yes.
    Yes, it's less of a sport, more of a business, a show business.

    The perverse thing is these crooked decisions have become PART of the show, the controversy actually furthers interest.
    People hate it but it makes them buy the next one.
    The controversy over fight 1 serves as the angle in the build up for fight 2, every time.

    At least this was an entertaining fight though.
    This wasn't a complete fake job we often get in these big fights.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    And I have to say, this thing about bought judges, and a fix being in, not sure about that at all.

    As I understand it Canelo won the three last rounds on all cards. This being the case, all Golovkin had to do to win the fight was win one of the last rounds. So the 114-114 judge had put themselves in a position where they'd have to give Canelo those three rounds no matter what.

    So if Golovkin scored a KD, he'd have taken money for something it was impossible for him to deliver. The 118-110 is SO bizarre that I could buy corruption there, but the 114-114 card is a panic-stations fix.

    For that reason, it doesn't seem likely to me.

    A small majority of ringsiders saw a close fight.

    So did i.
     
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  15. FastSmith7

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    It is a business, I am really dissapointed. I was so excited about this fight, while it was an amazing fight, in my eyes it was destroyed by one inept judge who was more than likely on fishnets payroll. Golovkin needs to knock canelo out cold next fight and move on to fight Saunders and if they ask for a trilogy with Canelo he should refuse.
     
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