Have people forgotten Hagler?

Could be worse. He could have a "plethora" of 5 losses like Foreman, Ali, or Wlad lol

 

Ok well 3, 2 draws. I am a fan. Many was a bit over the top.

 

Wow. So what does that make someone like Toy Bulldog, whose shameful defeat column numbers one more than ALL THREE OF THOSE BUMS (Hagler, Ali, Klitschko and Foreman) COMBINED?

That's a fuck-ton of losses.

I mean at that point there's basically no difference between Walker and, say, Reggie Strickland. Except a few world title belts or whatever. But weak era, y'know?

 

I mean a more judicious use of verbiage would have been "multiple", yes, but even so, what point exactly would that sentence have been setting out to make? That a maximum number of times being defeated in the ring precludes you from All Time Great status? Or that contextual factors don't matter in analyzing boxers of the past in contrast with those active now, with their full stories yet unwritten?

 

all you got is serial noddy holding 4 life.


not even your own.

 

although thats ostensibly because he had acheived everything.

3G has only just faced an elite, something hagler did in his first title fight. 3g has only just unified, something hagler did 10 years younger than 3G. And hagler had to jump through way more hoops to get a title than 3G.

 

Duran was an amazing fighter and the fight really wasn't all that close. The judges were insane to have Duran up after 13. If Duran had won the 15th and gotten the decision, it would have been a huge robbery.

Duran won like 4-5 of the 15 rounds. Duran got some generous cards from the judges around this time. The Benitez scorecards were way closer than the fight actually was.

Lol at "many"

The only guy to beat Hagler clearly was Monroe. Hagler should have gotten the nod against Watts and in the draw with Vito. The Leonard loss was very close and is always disputed, I have no problem with the decision as I had it even.

 

Simple. Context. Without comparison nothing has meaning. I thought it would have been obvious without elaboration.

GGG mid 30s draws in a competitive but rightful victory over CA... 'Overrated, bum, shouldn't be mentioned along with great MWs'..

Hagler a great MW. In his youth lost twice to lesser fighter's than Canelo. Drew with VA later too etc...

However. Hagler>GGG. Obviously. Greater wins.

I do admit also that comparison is limited here too as GGG, Alvarez, Jacobs, Lemmy, Brooks careers are still ongoing..

Now is that clear or have I been a bad boy again you silver tongued charmer?!

 

Talented bunch, the Monroe clan. At least the Worm & his great-nephew the Mongoose...but even the Body Rock was pretty solid (managed to knock out Tony Montgomery, which neither Donald Curry nor Terry Norris did) - just wasn't able to really hang with the elites like his brother & son - who nipped one from a young Hag and gave some major hassle to GGG early, respectively.

 

I think you don't understand how context works. (hint: not selectively! A bit more nuanced than what you've laid out here)

You can't mitigate Golovkin's recent performances because:/old and then willfully ignore that Hagler's losses to anyone whose name isn't SRL all need to be equally mitigated because:/green. Before prime is just as much not prime as beyond prime. "Youth" isn't always necessarily a competitive advantage. Neither is "experience". You want the right mix.

 

Now you're on the trolley. Take Maxie Rosenbloom & Eric Crumble. Yeah, there's a couple hundred or so extra wins for Slapsie, but Crumble had the good sense to retire after only 31 losses.

 

You forgot the part Marvin avange those disputed losses. Lesser fighter then Canelo ? Those fighters didnt have Oscar holding their hands when the score cards where being added up.

 

Hagler, Hopkins, Toney and a whole boatload of other top drawer middleweights failed to look spectacular at times against opposition they were expected to run through. It happens. In this case however many were predicting a close fight between two of the sports marquee fighters.

Golovkin did enough but Canelo did well as I expected him to do at this point in their careers. Byrd should never be allowed to judge a fight again big or small.

 

GGG is more like Hopkins