Canelo is the overall better more complete fighter...

1) So guys like Terence Crawford, Rigo, Lennox, Badou Jack, Danny Jacobs, etc. are part of a "mob of idiots" and don't actually know the scoring criteria? And you know more than them? Pardon me, but some of those are very smart fighters.

2) Amazing that you call this a robbery against Canelo whilst arguing that Kovalev wasn't robbed against Ward. That's not a consistent position unless you think Adalaide Byrd had it right.

3) As you disagree with the wide consensus (75-90% of all fan polls, media reps, etc.), it is your job to post your card first. Most of ours can be seen in the RBR anyway.

 

I think some are able to debate who landed the more clean/effective punches between GGG and Alvarez. Based on the qualities and styles. Golovkin's punches don't look hard, but they can't be weak based on his KO percentage. The speed and flashy punches Alvarez throws make it hard to NOT notice. They look great and sound great but with regards to their effect, I think GGG's had more of an impact in their fight.

The defense arguement is also debatable. Nelo has an edge based on style. He's more of a counter puncher but overall, the blend of Offense and defense with GGG makes him very solid from a defensive perspective. In totality, Alvarez landed less punches on GGG, but his connect percentage was slightly better, 31% vs 33%. There's not a huge disparity there defensively between the two looking just at their fight against each other.

The ring IQ is also debatable for the simple fact that no one has beaten GGG and in the fight on Saturday there's little dispute as who controlled the fight and who should have won. Alvarez is definitely an intelligent boxer but the same can be said on behalf of Golovkin. He's very cerebral. Taking his time, placing his punches well and using great punch selection. As a counter puncher I think Alvarez is better, but that has a lot to do with his speed. GGG lacks in that area but makes up for it in timing.

Regarding head and foot movement I think Alvarez has the better head movement and GGG has better footwork....Maybe not better, but more effective to complement his style. He was by far more effective cutting off the ring on Alvarez this past Saturday who had a hard time keeping distance between him and GGG no matter how hard he tried.

GGG applies an intelligent pressure not to be confused with just an unconscious, plodding pressure that Margarito is known for. If that were true, Canelo would have landed 40% or higher instead of finding the mark only 33% of the time.

Canelo and GGG are both top boxers who deserve accolades for their accomplishments. Are either of them on level with guys like SRR or Ali? No...of course not. But they are two of the best boxers of this era.

 

... and he did.

No they didn't, Ward was the betting favourite (2/3 on). In the league here it was 50-50.

Now you are talking about the Canelo-GGG rematch. Saying Canelo will adjust and win the rematch is a perfectly sensible point-of-view, especially as GGG will be older too.

Saying Canelo got robbed in the first fight is the shocking statement, what was your card for the first fight?

 

He gave a good illusion that he was fighting but he didn't fool me one bit. Guy was just doing enough for self preservation and nothing more. He didn't come to fight. He came to just survive and hope the judges save him.

 

So what do have to say about how CA from rounds 4 to 9? Did nothing but run to the ropes. GGG had trouble catching him but at least he was landing jabs. Alvarez had to come on in the last 3 rounds just to make it competitive.

Honestly the fight proved both guys are elite but pretty flawed. Neither is quite top 5 p4p. This fanboy talk sounds like mayweather/pac all over again.

 

And they are right.

You will find Ward was the favorite in both fights.

And he drew with a 35 year old in a fight that only his promoters and Golovkin haters think he won.

 

Canelo was the overall better and more complete fighter...

For 30 seconds in each round.

 

For the rest of the 2:30 GGG was the overall better and more complete fighter.

 

Yeah you get overworked by a 35 year old but you're the one in your prime.