Canelo is the overall better more complete fighter...

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    It's ****ed up how some posters here think only defense takes skill and won't give any credit to offense oriented fighters. Evasive backfooted defense and counterpunching are just choices/styles. They aren't better or more difficult than pressuring, or swarming. I blame Mayweather for brainwashing these poor fools. He's trained an entire generation to think that aggression and landing punches aren't important.
     
  2. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Round one, yes compubox rewarded more punches landed but it wasn't the case. Canelo landed the best hardest shots in that round. His jabs had more snap. He made G miss his big shots he wanted to land. Canelo also landed 2 good shots to G's body in that round. Canelo also landed the hardest shot of the round which was a overhand right. Can't do it. Rounds 10 and 12. Can't do it either. If you use the case that haters are trying to use saying Canelo only fought for 30 seconds then backed off to the ropes. Not the case at all.

    I can get more in depth in those rounds if you like but G did not get those rounds nor were they swing rounds.
     
  3. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Man your boxing iq its horrible!!! Ggg was the biggest man in the ring! Even a blind man can see that! Just stop your pathetic lies and nuthugging
     
  4. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ok, first point, I disagree but wouldn't criticize you for that score. Saying it's a robbery though is another matter, 7-5 is not fair basis for a robbery especially when the rounds are close. I have it 7-5 GGG but never said he got robbed.

    Second point, my scorecard is the same as yours expect I think Golovkin got round 6 and round 10.
    Alvarez had a beautiful first minute in round 10 but then did nothing, Golovkin ended up outlanding him in that round. Admittedly very close rounds, but 1, 11, and 12 which I gave to Canelo were also close.
     
  5. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I gave Canelo the first three rounds and the 12th. The eighth could have been a swing round it was so close.
     
  6. Paranoid Android

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    Okay, whatever you say, Ultimate Floyd Fan!

    LMAO!
     
  7. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    They looked about the same. GGG is an inch taller but Canelo is a little thicker in the torso.
     
  8. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Defense is a scoring criteria. Deal with it. It has more merit than walking forward and throwing punches regardless if those punches are effective or not. Output and participation are not scoring criteria unless it's effective aggression.
     
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  9. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    A lot of the middle rounds could've been swing rounds imo.
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    KiwiMan, I like this post of yours because you're explaining yourself, and giving your reasoning. This is all I ask out of G fans. Thinking your fighter won is fine with me, but having respect for the other side who thought Canelo won is important. I have full respect for you or others who thought G won. The only thing I have a problem with is those G fans who mock or act like it's laughable if you had Canelo winning. We can disagree with the scoring on some rounds but have respect for the other side. That's what's important. Just explain your reasoning is all, which is what I tried to do in the other thread. I'd also like the point out that round 4 which most people gave to G was very close as well. I think you'd agree that you can make an argument for Canelo getting the 4th with those hard jabs he landed, and the fact that while G landed some glancing and light punches, he didn't land the quality hard flush punches Canelo landed in that round.
     
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  11. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Floyd fan? Pfffftttt never been!!!

    Cotto fan, yes!

    Pathetic liar
     
  12. Silver

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    Well you can avoid giving credit to GGG if you choose. That's pretty much what most people doing to both guys. GGG pressured well at times, CA countered well at times. Who did their job well enough over 12 rounds is the question. Most unbiased people felt it was GGG, really not that hard to grasp.
    RD 1- GGG
    RD 2- CA
    RD 3- CA
    RD 4 - GGG
    RD 5 - GGG
    RD 6 - GGG
    RD 7 - GGG
    RD 8 - GGG
    RD 9 - GGG
    RD 10 - CA
    RD 11 - CA
    RD 12 - GGG
     
  13. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Even people who had G winning quite comfortably didn't give him round 6. 12 is laughable. He was so inaccurate it's not even funny then in the last 10 seconds of the round he looked like a buffoon winging his missed shots.

    Round 1 I've already explained. That's a **** round to give to GGg
     
  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    GGG showed as much defense while showing better offense. You don't have to stop doing one to effectively do the other. You are supposed to combine offense with defense in a fight. I use defense as a scoring criteria, but it is not more important than offense. If GGG wasn't hitting anything, then I would award the round to Canelo for his defense since I only score "effective aggression." But GGG was effective and he did hit Canelo more than Canelo hit him. Canelo was a little more accurate and he landed some of the better shots, but that wasn't enough to make up for the volume of shots landed by Golovkin and Golovkin did more damage. Furthermore, Golovkin gets points for Ring Generalship by dictating where the fight was fought and leading the exchanges. Golovkin dictated the terms of the fight with his aggression, pressure, and volume punching.
     
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  15. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    @shadow111, I agree with much of that post and have respect for plenty of people who scored it 7-5 Canelo. I know you are a huge minority, and I disagree with it, but I respect too many people with that score to ridicule it.

    But just look at the OP and see how dramatic it is, that doesn't sound like the aftermath of a 7-5 / draw decision.

    "GGG looked like Margarito"
    "His power was abysmal"
    "Ggg is not the truth"
    "They actually robbed Canelo intentionally"

    And at the same time, huge praise for Canelo. That's not consistent, IMHO you have to either praise or criticize both fighters. I chose to praise both (within limitations of course, neither are p4p #1), tbh I thought Canelo would have won a decision, but Golovkin did better than I expected rather Canelo worse.

    My opinion is that no-one can call GGG a hype-job any more, Canelo cannot be a hype-job as he was tested at the top level and therefore provides a good benchmark.
     
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