GGG's Punchstats were Padded

Why was Pacquiao making that excuse that he is scared of needles and taking blood would make him weak? C'mon, like it isn't the same for everyone?

 

Yeah, this makes perfect sense. If they was going to add numbers to that stat system than wouldn't it be a better idea to, ya'kno, add extra punches to Canelo's to make the scores less suspicious. You're trying to tell us with your post that someone was trying to sabotage Canelo, the GUY who got the gift decision.

Nice effort though, truly.

 

Well those people are morons. And honestly when i was much younger and new to boxing i thought punch stats were everything lol! quite embarrassing.

 

Agreed. I had it 116-112 GGG but a lot of people had it 115-113 so for someone to have it a draw isnt a stretch. I have no problem with the judges scorecards outside of that imbecile Adalaide.

 

I think the point is it wasn't a robbery and these stats and commentators influence people's perceptions while they are watching the fight.

Of course some people will say they are impervious to being influenced by such things, maybe they are, maybe they aren't, but I could hazard a guess that most people aren't.

 

You talking stupid now. Maybe you're dehydrated and need IV fluids.

LMAO!!!

 

Nah....there's a difference between close and competitive. It was competitive when DLH lost a split decision against Floyd...it was competitive when GGG beat Alvarez but was scored a draw...Ward vs Kovalev 1 was close. If GGG "barely" eeked it out on your card then you may need to watch the fight sober. That, or you are a MASSIVE Nelo fan and can see things objectively. The overwhelming consensus is reality. The people who gave the fight to Nelo or thought the fight was close is incredibly small....those who make up the minority are obviously fanatics and can't be taken seriously. Just look at list below. These are mostly pro boxers, writers and analyst. I think it's safe to say GGG without a doubt won clearly

This is an absolute massacre. Someone better call 911

Who took it
Gennady Golovkin 352 vote(s) 90.3%
Canelo Alvarez 38 vote(s) 9.7%

Who did you have winning Canelo-GGG?
Gennady Golovkin (4103 votes) 79%
Canelo Alvarez (517 votes) 10%
Draw (553 votes) 11%

Who won the fight?
Gennady Golovkin 659 vote(s) 79.5%
Canelo Alvarez 80 vote(s) 9.7%
Draw 90 vote(s) 10.9%

Who deserved to win?
Golovkin 333 75.17%
Canelo 63 14.22%
Draw 47 10.61%

What Do You Think GGG Earned In Last Nights Fight Against Canelo??
A Win 80 vote(s) 87.0%
A Draw 9 vote(s) 9.8%
A Loss? LOL 3 vote(s) 3.3%

Who won
GGG 53 vote(s) 84.1%
Canelo 6 vote(s) 9.5%
Draw 4 vote(s) 6.3%

MEDIA SCORES
Mookie Alexander
BloodyElbow.com 117-111 Golovkin
CBS Sports 117-111 Golovkin
Patrick Stumberg
MMAMania.com
116-112 Golovkin
Kevin McRae BleacherReport.com 116-112 Golovkin
Shaun Al-Shatti
MMAFighting.com 116-112 Golovkin
Ryan Frederick
WrestlingObserver.com 116-112 Golovkin
Harold Lederman
HBO 116-112 Golovkin
Dan Rafael
ESPN.com 116-112 Golovkin
Sherdog.com 116-112 Golovkin
Phil Murphy
ESPN 115-113 Golovkin
Paul Fontaine
WrestlingObserver.com 115-113 Golovkin
Kevin Iole
Yahoo.com 115-113 Golovkin
Wil Esco
BadLeftHook.com 115-113 Golovkin
Patrick Wyman
BleacherReport.com 115-113 Golovkin
Rob Tatum
CombatPress.com 115-113 Golovkin
Seán Sheehan
SevereMMA.com 115-113 Golovkin
MMABrasil.com.br 115-113 Golovkin
Chris Mannix
Yahoo! Sports 114-114 DRAW
Associated Press 114-114 DRAW
Lance Pugmire
L.A. Times 114-114 DRAW


Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #1 ------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Kelly Pavlik ---------------------------------> 117-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Devon Alexander --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Al Bernstein -------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Bunce (BoxNation) ----------------> 116-112 GGG
Tom Loeffler ------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Michael Woods (Ring) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Nigel Collins (ESPN) ----------------------> 116-112 GGG
Cliff Rold ----------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bad Left Hook Writer #2 -----------------> 116-112 GGG
John A. MacDonald (Boxing Monthly) ---> 116-112 GGG
Ron Lewis (The Times) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Matt Christie (Boxing News) -------------> 116-113 GGG
Barry Jones (BoxNation) -----------------> 116-113 GGG
Adam Booth -------------------------------> 116-114 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Marc Livitz (SecondsOut) ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) -------> 115-113 GGG
Ed Robinson (Sky Sports) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #2 ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Tom Gray (Ring) ---------------------------> 115-114 GGG
Max Kellerman -----------------------------> Golovkin
Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin
Shane Mosley ------------------------------> Golovkin
Austin Trout --------------------------------> Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi --------------------------> Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin
Scott Cardle --------------------------------> Golvokin
Terence Crawford ---------------------------> Golovkin
Reece Bellotti ------------------------------> Golvokin
Liam Smith ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Peter Quillin --------------------------------> Golovkin
Liam Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Ohara Davies -------------------------------> Golovkin
Luke Campbell -----------------------------> Golovkin
Dave Coldwell ------------------------------> Golovkin
Badou Jack ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Kevin Kelly (boxer) -------------------------> Golovkin
Steve Kim -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Doug Fischer --------------------------------> Golovkin
Ring TV guy (name?) ----------------------> Golvokin
Cornelius Bundrage ------------------------> Golovkin
Gabriel Rosado ------------------------------> Golovkin
Kal Yafai -------------------------------------> Golovkin
Julian Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Vanes Martirosyan --------------------------> Golovkin
Michael Montero ----------------------------> Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin
Joe Rogan (UFC) ----------------------------> Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ------------> Golovkin
Kovalev -------------------------------------> Golvokin
Chavez Jr -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Danny Jacobs -------------------------------> Golovkin
Murat Gassiev ------------------------------> Golovkin
Johnny Nelson ------------------------------> Golovkin
Rosie Perez ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Lou DiBella ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Tony Jeffries --------------------------------> Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) -------------> Golovkin
Dave Allen ----------------------------------> Golovkin
Joseph Parker ------------------------------> Golovkin
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes) --------> 115-115 Draw
Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
Associated Press --------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Kenny Porter ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Peter Fury ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Tommy Hearns ----------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Joe Cortez ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Liam Happe (Yahoo Sport UK) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) ---> 114-114 Draw
Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Brian Kenny (MLB Network) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Eric Rasken (HBO) -----------------------> 114-114 Draw
Danny Flexen (British Boxers) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO) ------------------> 114-114 Draw
David Greisman (former writer) ---------> 114-114 Draw
George Foreman --------------------------> 114-114 Draw (supposedly said)
Unnamed writer (Unnamed site #3) -----> 114-114 Draw
Danny Howard (Boxing Tribune) ---------> 115-114 Canelo
De La Hoya --------------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Bernard Hopkins --------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Gilbert Mendoza (President of WBA) -----> 115-113 Canelo
Coach Anthony ----------------------------> 116-112 Canelo
Erik Morales -------------------------------> 117-111 Canelo (think he said; see video page 3)
Chavez Sr ---------------------------------> Canelo
Sergio Mora -------------------------------> Canelo

 

Pacquiao never said that. Show proof.

 

Shh. Just give me your scorecard. Why do people NEVER want to answer a question related to the topic. Instead of arguing you bring up irrelevant information I'm aware of. Of course there's a difference between a clear win and a fight that could go either way. But that would require clear rounds. GGG did not win 7 clear rounds.

 

I think you're reasonable enough that trying to make the claim that Alvarez won would make you look ridiculous because there's no possible way to justify the nod going to Alvarez. Those who are making that claim are automatically written off and not taken seriously.

 

Anyone who thinks that GGG won 7 clear rounds, and there is no case in those 7 rounds for Canelo should be written off and not taken seriously. Clear bias.

Like I said, I had 4-9 and 11 for GGG. 1 being even, and Canelo winning 2-3, 10, 12. Some had Canelo winning 1-3, and 10-12. Stop yapping and just give your scorecard.

 

While this thread has turned into a debate about scoring, I think it's important that we bring it back to the topic at hand, the issue of punch stats being visibly wrong based on what we were seeing on the screen towrads the end of some of the rounds.

We have evidence of a round where Canelo was significantly ahead in punch stats with 15 seconds left in the round based on the on-screen real-time punch stats HBO put on there.

The final numbers in that round however have G ahead on punch stats in that round which is mathematically impossible.

Now I’ve seen the argument used in this thread that punch stats don’t matter, which I happen to agree with. But this is clear evidence of some type of punch stat manipulation. As you well know, while some of us know punch stats are complete BS and we know that they can’t be used to score a fight, many many times fans on this very forum use punch stats to “justify” their scoring of a fight to someone.

Triple G himself in the post fight press conference, one of the first things he mentioned when talking about how the scorecards were “bad for boxing” was the “total punches” on the compubox. G himself was using the compubox to basically make the argument that the Byrd’s scoring was bad for boxing. Now while I personally don’t trust Compubox, the fact of the matter is that they are used on the broadcast, they are used as a supplement to the scoring. Now if you have clear manipulation of rounds that Canelo had a punch stats advantage real time, but then the final totals have G with a punch stat advantage in that very same round, then that’s a real issue that we need to get an explanation for.

Compubox are clearly a subliminal way that is used to influence who we thought won the fight. Lets face it, the first thing everybody looks at after the decision is reach is the punch stats. So the arguments people are making that it doesn’t matter so why should we care doesn’t hold any water. The fact of the matter is the Compubox is used to give us a sense of who landed more punches in the fight. If these numbers are being messed with, then clearly that is some type of corruption or at least something that needs to be explained by HBO, by the Compubox people, whoever.

Have we ever seen a fight where a real-time compubox count was on screen close to the end of the round like that, only to have the final number be mathematically impossible? We need to hear from the folks that thought G won, the G fans, to admit that something’s not right here.

 

**** YEAH. I NEED SHADOW ON MY TEAM LOL. Shadow I'm at work right now, and I need you to take over. DO NOT BACK DOWN. Write those novels you wrote to me. SHUT EM DOWN MY BOY.

 

His resume is decent. Not great...borderline good. Not really his fault. It's a weak director division. Hopkins had the same issue before Trinidad decided to move up in weight. Alvarez is GGG's Tito. I doubt he'll have the career Bhop had, but he's gotten his big name fighter, he won and he should be in line for bigger fights in the future to strengthen his resume

 

Freddie Roach his trainer said it, the fact is though, he refused the tests so the fight was called off in 2009.