When SRL beat Hagler, one judge had it 118-110.

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When Sugar Ray Leonard beat Marvin Hagler, two judges it had 115-113 (one for SRL one for Hagler) but another judge had it 118-110 for SRL.

    Why wasn't there the kind of outrage over that wide scorecard that we saw on Saturday?

    Surely, most people probably had SRL winning a close fight, or saw it a draw, but does anyone think Hagler only won 2 rounds vs Sugar Ray?

    Weren't there some similarities as well to Canelo Triple G, with Hagler coming forward, SRL fighting off the back foot and landing the more flashy punches?

    Did SRL's promoter pay off judge Jose Juan Guerra to score it 10 rounds to 2?
     
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  2. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't you remember, the message boards and all of the internets when Leonard and Hagler fought went OFF THE HOOK back in the day....
     
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  3. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly just wasn't the platform for such things but that fight I had it Hagler but it was a pick em type of fight,was there corruption back then,sure there was.
     
  4. khaosai galaxi

    khaosai galaxi Superbad Full Member

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    Lol I was defending myself furiously in twitter back in the day.
    I got booted daily from boxing forum, I don't know how many IP addresses I have to change.
    Yeah seems like yesterday. Good close fight though that one.
     
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  5. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    Two completely different fights.

    SRL actually employed defensive skills to win his rounds, Canelo threw out a cameo once a round (most of which didn't land) and the judges seemed to acknowledge that more than getting completely outboxed for 2mins 30secs of every round.

    The worst judging I have seen.
     
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  6. Skins

    Skins Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Now that you mention it, there were some similarities like you say. There was some outrage over that card for sure, but it was a different era, no internet to vent on like there is now. And I don't think as many people thought Hagler won as thought GGG won though I may be wrong there. I've gotten used to the bad decisions over the years. Nothing you can do about it so no use stressing over them. As long as I don't bet on the fights and as long as it is a good one I can live with it. Not like we didn't all know what was going to happen if the fight went the distance
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol OK obviously things are different today, everybody can voice their opinion on the net where they couldn't before, but I mean just in terms of the boxing media, the people on TV, there was hardly the sort of outrage over that score back then that we saw Saturday.

    I'm just asking you personally, did you have Hagler winning more than 2 rounds vs SRL? I'm guessing you would say yes, now that judge, I doubt he got disciplined for his score did he? I think you'd agree that SRL - Hagler is a very similar situation to Canelo Triple G. Only difference is SRL got the win there due to that card whereas Canelo didn't since another judge had it a draw so it was a split draw. Now when people look back at that fight, no one really mentions the 118-110, but with Canelo getting that score it's all anyone can talk about. Of course there's the argument that SRL did better than Canelo, however I think that's debatable. yes he threw more lightning quick combinations, but he also moved away, moved away and fought in spurts at times vs Hagler. Remember he was coming back after 3 year layoff, so he needed to pace himself. SRL certainly didn't stand toe to toe with Hagler, SRL would back away and come back with the flashier punches, not that different to how Canelo fought Triple G. I'm not saying it was identical to how SRL fought Hagler, but there are certainly some similarities.
     
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  8. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hagler was outraged that's for sure
     
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  9. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    You are talking about the fight and these cucks are talking about the internet. Pure deflection from the facts.
     
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  10. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll just say this once...one fight, or how it was scored, has nothing to do with another.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hagler didn`t walk down Leonard the way GGG did vs Canelo, the fight on saturday was on another level, when Ray tired against Hagler not that much was landed compared to what GGG landed vs Canelo, even though Saul rode those shots and many didn`t land clean the intelligence GGG showed to open up the cagey Saul was way above a slow handed Hagler that showed up against Ray, he couldn`t use his usual offensive skill and was completely undone by Ray who wasn`t throwing the clever shots Canelo threw though he fought well, GGG would have wiped the floor with Leonard if you take them on these respective nights and he was simply a better stronger middle than Ray and Canelo would have beat Hagler the way he looked that night by a much larger margin than Leonard, only certain things from both fights were the same kind of like the ageing Hagler-Leonard superfight was a poormans Canelo-GGG but it would have been great in a fantasy if both fights were on the same bill because the Hagler fight had more tension at the end and atmosphere, the GGG fight was great in terms of skill and offensive inventiveness but it never really caught fire, they were both too smart.
     
  12. vargasfan1985

    vargasfan1985 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It was an outrage I’m sure. I know when I read about the fight and watched it 15 years ago for the first time, I thought that card was shameful.
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Many have used the argument that Canelo fought "in spurts" on Saturday night. Is it fair to say that SRL fought Hagler "in spurts" as well?
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But was it sure-fire corruption? I mean, could you just chalk up a score like that a judge's preference?

    Perhaps that judge was just wowed by SRL's combinations, clean punching, and overall boxing skill.
     
  15. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think it was a different world, and people were still legit pissed back in the day regardless.

    Maybe people didn't feel entitled enough to get so "outraged" back then?