Sonny Liston vs Joe Frazier

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  1. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    So as to not bury the lead: Whoever comes in with the belt in this matchup, I'd bet against them. Other random thoughts:

    1) Overall body of work for Frazier is great. There is no consensus HOF heavyweight with fewer fights than Joe over the past 100 years. You've got to go back to Jeffries for a HOF HW with fewer official pro fights.

    2) Joe's title defenses sucked.

    3) Sonny's age seems to morph when it's convenient for it to when it comes to Patterson/Clay timeline. Regardless of if you think he was Cryptkeeper old, he was a hell of a fighter for sure...even though I think he still gets a bit overrated here in general.

    4) If both were challengers, I'd favor Sonny based on styles, but he couldn't afford an ounce of an off night vs Frazier. 60-40 kind of fight for me.

    5) Who comes in as the champ is THE deal-breaker. I wouldn't trust either of them to maintain & defend a belt against top comp for long- too lax once they become champ. Frazier wouldn't successfully defend against Liston, and vice versa. A great revolutionary often doesn't make a great president. Likewise, more fighters are hardwired to become champ than they are to stay champ. Joe and Sonny both fall in to that category for me.
     
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  2. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    mcvey's right, Joe is as tough an SOB that ever stepped into a ring, but styles clash and Joe's style is made for a guy like Sonny. I'd make Liston a 2-1 favorite
     
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  3. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I always felt Frazier would grind Liston down and stop him late.
     
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  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Did Dempsey devalue the title?
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No , though he should have fought Wills. Dempsey was making a fortune in Hollywood that's why he was out so long .
    Miske and Brennan were a cut above Daniels and Stander.
    .Frazier had been hammered by Ali, though he won , he wanted no part of a rematch or anyone reasonable.
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    With all due respect to the great Joe Frazier, that’s how I see it.
     
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  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I'll cotradict my earlier post but add a caveat.
    Yes.But he made $1000,000 doing it.

    Apr 1 -Dempsey signed a $1 million deal with Universal Pictures to star in 10 films over 2 years
     
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  8. Combatesdeboxeo_

    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Frazier by ko late. Sonny is overrated like hell he did nothing literally except beating patterson cleveland williams and getting schooled by a young clay .frazier would **** williams and Patterson even worse than liston did. Frazier fought and beat better oposition than liston did.
     
  9. mcvey

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    Liston still wanted this fight when he was in his forties, that tells me something.
     
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    Combatesdeboxeo_ Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wanting a fight means crap
     
  11. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    Great, short explosive fight.

    Frazier does his best pogo impression a la George Foreman before the referee has mercy by the end of round 4.
     
  12. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Yea Dempsey drew $ and helped boxing move forward into the modern age. That is the one area with Dempsey nobody can dispute. His fighting style was a big reason.
     
  13. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    On the other hand Frazier had the wrong complexion and it was a different time. Running to Hollywood getting your nose fixed, and hanging with Estelle wasn’t an option.
     
  14. -mojo

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    I wanna say Frazier would win, but its a tough call cause idk how Frazier's bobbing and weaving would fare against an 84-inch reach
     
  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe cant beat the 1960 - 1962 Sonny. I've seen Ramos nearly tip Joe over