Where does Rigo go on your p4p list if he beats Loma?

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Where does Rigo go on your p4p list if he beats Loma?

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There is no deserving for #1 spot, its not choosing by merit & hard work...Its talent

    Exceptional Talent is always favored, Rigo & Loma are geneticaly more talented than GGG or Crawford, the winner of Rigo vs Loma is #1 & loser is still #11

    GGG & Crawford are more talented than average beltholders (they score more KOs), its part of human evolution favoring the dominant male. In boxing the slicksters tend to be always a little bit favored over the power-punchers
     
  2. Northadox

    Northadox Active Member Full Member

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    Crawford is a lot more than just a power puncher
     
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  3. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is, look at MCgregor vs Aldo in UFC, the fight lasted 13 seconds, this was a fight that happens once in 5 careers, a definition of a lucky shot on an equally good fighter, he could fight Aldo 100 times and 95 of the hundred it would go more than 2 rounds, so if Rigo beats Loma in 13 seconds, I would give him far less credit than I would if he beat him like 117-111 or something.
     
  4. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I never said the opponents werent good I said which one of their wins were over a top 5 p4p guy. Crawfords win over Gamboa, Diaz, Postol and Indongo were all impressive wins same as GGG's over Lemieux and Jacobs. However you would hard pressed to say any of those guys are not just B level, you could make the case for Jacobs but other than his Quillin win his record isnt impressive.
     
  5. Mr Logic

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    Well you can judge him going back to his amateur days.
    Watching him completely dominate good fighters like Russell jr and Walters, who have been or are world champions takes some doing. He's made his last 3 opponents retire by overwhelming them with skill.
    He halves opponents punching output in world title fights which is un heard of.
    I could ask you the same thing about Crawford. 140 is possibly the worst division in boxing right now

    It's so obvious to me that he's on another level (eye test) than anyone operating right now. Just my opinion of course.

    P4p to me means who is the best right now? And just because Crawford beat indongo to unify doesn't prove he is better than lomachenko.
     
  6. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Crawford has as much talent as both loma and Rigo imo, it may not be as innate but he is a very skilled technician, one of the most skilled fighter in the game.
     
  7. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When Mcgregor threw the shot, did he throw with the intent of landing on Aldos chin? of course he did, not his fault Aldo's chin was not prepared for the impact. It werent lucky, he timed it to perfection and was accurate.
     
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  8. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But what I mean, he would throw the same punch 100 more times and it wouldn't land, it's the law of probablity, when you go to your local shop and get a scratch card, there is a possibily you would win £100, but 99 times out of a 100 you would get nothing, that's what happend in their fight. When you throw 100 of these punches and 1 of them lands then it's not luck, only the law of probablity doing its job. However if the very first of those punches lands flush, then I consider that a lucky punch.
     
  9. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get your argument, Loma is in my top 5 for those reasons but there have been little question marks on all of his wins. Marriaga coming off a loss and moving up in weight, Martinez and Sosa both B level (although he dispatched of them impressively), Walters coming off a one year lay off, not to mention his loss to Salido.

    Im not saying he isnt high on the p4p list but those are my reasons for why he isnt no.1, Crawford did what your supposed to do in a poor division, clean it out and move up. Loma's manager said fighting Crawford would be suicide when they brought up that fight to him.
     
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  10. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I get your point but what i'm arguing is your scratch card analogy just isnt synonymous with the argument your putting forward about that lucky punch. I can guarantee Mcgregor practised that shot loads of times in training, he happened to land it earlier than most would expect and more accurately than most would expect, doesnt make it lucky.
     
  11. Mr Logic

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    Rigos ex manager feels the same way about his old fighter facing lomachenko.
    Crawford isn't getting pressured to go down to 135 and face loma is he?
    There is a lot of double standards surrounding loma and I don't understand the hate?! People should just enjoy him while he's here because I honestly haven't seen anyone with his all around skill
    [url]http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/guillermo-rigondeaux-is-making-a-big-big-mistake-says-former-manager/[/url]
     
  12. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Noone is pressuring Loma, they asked about the fight and thats what his 'current manager' said.
    I enjoy Loma, I just think people give him praise before he has proved all of it. He is clearly one of the most skilled fighters but with only 10 odd fights and a loss, I think we should wait before we give him the top sport or call him the greatest fighter since Ali.
     
  13. Mr Logic

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    Yet Crawford is deserving of praise?
    They are both 29 and while lomachenko was amassing possibly the greatest amateur career of all time winning 2 Olympic gold medals Crawford Fought about 20 or so pro fights where his opponents had amassed about 180 defeats between them.
     
  14. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Loma lost in his second fight, Crawford has no losses, no way would Salido as rough and brave as he is ever beat Crawford. Crawford became undisputed, I really doubt Loma will achieve that, we will see when Crawford moves up the only guy who can beat him at 147 is Spence, I think he is too good for everyone else
     
  15. Mr Logic

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    Lol I was waiting for the salido comment. You know the circumstances of that fight with the weight. Let's put it this way If Loma and Crawford were exactly the same weight lomachenko would wipe the floor with him.
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