Joe Louis vs Tommy Morrison

These situations are not even remotely comparable.

Dempsey and Schmeling were not anywhere close to world level when they suffered these losses.

Morrison was the champion when Bentt beat him!

that is as bad as it gets for a fighter at that level!

 

KO 1 is KO 1. Like I said Janitor you know full well Bennt was better than the Flynn Dempsey fought, or the Daniels Schmeling fought. Its not debatable.

An interesting point to ponder is this. Past fighters get a pass ( or excuse made ) for an early stoppage loss, but if it's a modern fighter vs skilled natural 200+ pound heavyweight, he's ripped.

 

Of course you make some allowance for a stoppage loss early in a fighters career, because their ability to withstand punishment will increase, physically and psychologically.

Should we assume that David Tua had a glass chin, because he got stopped by Savon in the amateurs?

The Dempsey who lost to Flynn was basically a local level fighter.

The Schmeling who lost to Daniels was a weight drained European level light heavyweight.

The Morrison that lost to Bentt, was basically the version that we are going to throw in with Louis here.

 

Thats cos he fought during the 90's era dum dum. Tua never managed to pick up a belt back then , but a clown like Sam Peter is WBC Champ in the 00's era.
That obviously doesn't mean Peter is a better fighter than Tua.

Tua and Morrison would have no problems beating 00's Champs - Maskaev , Peter , Liahovich , 300lbs Briggs , 2006 Chris Byrd , Sultan Ibragibum , David Haye ..

 

This is who Peter would have had to beat in the 90's to become WBC Champ. -

Holyfield
Riddick Bowe
Lennox Lewis
Oliver MaCall
Frank Bruno
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis

lol

 

Dino the Duck trying so very very hard to make this into a Klitschko thread. I bet hes salivating right now, praying someone takes the bait and argues Peter vs 90s.

 

The 2000s are arguably the worst era for heavyweights. Your opinion of what Morrison would do in that era is irrelevant. Your argument doesn't even make sense. You just brought up the 2000s for no apparent reason.

 

Dude what the hell does this thread have to do with Sam Peter???

 

The era argument only works if a fighter was actively fighting the relevant names. Arguing that the 90s was a tough Era works in the favor of say, Holyfield.

But Morrison spent the 90s, fighting washed up 80s fighters and tomato cans.

 

And lets really call into question the quality of the early 90s.

Mercer and Morrison were the hottest prospects behind Bowe. Morrison gets knocked out by Mercer, who fails to establish himself as a contender to Holyfield by getting clowned by old fat Holmes. Then he fails again by losing a title shot to journeyman, Jesse Ferguson.

Holyfield and Bowe (minus Lewis) really didnt have anyone to defend against. Old Foreman, old Holmes, old Dokes, Fergusun, Bert Cooper...Mercer and Morrison should have been the contenders of this era.

 

well aids didnt really exist back then, so thats one thing positive for tommy.

and nothing else.

 

Nah, I could see Daniels and Flynn on Joe Louis bum of the month tour.

Savon was a very hard puncher, and Tua was a young amateur of 201 pounds. We are talking about pro's here.

A more interesting question for the board is where would Morrison rate on the ability to upset Joe Louis compared to the opponents Louis fought. Without thinking about it, I would say top 6 meaning an upset can happen.

 

My point is that neither that version of Dempsey, nor that version of Schmeling, would have been allowed within spitting distance of Joe Louis's bum of the month tour.

He would not even have known who they were!

The opponents Louis fought didn't exactly do that well.

We have a fifteen year period, where he is putting away ranked opponents at an unprecedented rate, and getting away with it.

Even having said that, top six is far too generous for Morrison!

 

Give me your top six opponents that Louis fought that would have a better chance of an upset then please. You might find 3, after that the debate will start.

 

To start with the obvious, Schmeling, Farr, Ramage, Conn, Pastor, Godoy, Walcott.

I haven't even touched the punchers yet!