Larry Holmes vs Vitali Klitschko

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Larry Holmes vs Vitali Klitschko

  1. Holmes By PTS

    61.5%
  2. Holmes By KO/TKO

    13.2%
  3. Draw

    3.3%
  4. Vitali By PTS

    14.3%
  5. Vitali By KO/TKO

    7.7%
  1. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There is no doubt that the punch was caused by a punch. That is also the official ruling.
     
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  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee VIP Member banned Full Member

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    it would pan out like holmes c.ooney but without holmes carrying him
     
  3. Mendoza

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    THat's what they said about Holmes too.
     
  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Just when I think you've bottomed out your hole gets deeper. Cooney a better boxer than Vitali? Not a chance. Cooney had an underdeveloped right ( Vitali's was much better than his ), wasn't as good as a jabber, could not counter as well could not move his feet as well, and was easier to hit, period!

    You could argue Cooney had a better hook and be correct, but that is about it.

    Cooney was also very carefully managed, not fighting one top fighter near his prime outside of Holmes and Spinks, whom he lost to. Yet he was competitive with a prime Holmes. Sure Cooney's power and size gave Holmes issues and Vitali is even bigger than Cooney, more skilled, 10X as confident, 5x as durable, and at least 3x as smart in the ring.

    Why am I even typing this? Never try to reason a man out of a position he did not reach through reason!
     
  5. The Kentucky Cobra

    The Kentucky Cobra Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If Holmes doesn't show up at his absolute best and most mobile, he loses this on points and takes a beating.

    Holmes at his best, survives some scares to frustrate and out point Vitali, possibly cuts him but I doubt it.
     
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  6. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Very few in hwt boxing history avoids the jab of prime Holmes. Vitali is not one of them. Prime Holmes chops up Vitali's face for a stoppage in 13 rounds. Competitive early but then all Holmes after round 5.
     
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  7. HerolGee

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    amen to that. But not quite in the way u meant it.
     
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  8. HerolGee

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    you can say what you want about holmes opposition, it was world class AND elite.

    that cant be said for V K, unless he was gettnig the shyt beaten out of him.
     
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  9. HerolGee

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    was the legal punch caused by an illegal punch?
     
  10. Mod-Mania

    Mod-Mania Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Norton was better than anything Vitali beat.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Norton would not last 5 rounds with Vitali. He nearly defeated Holmes at a time when Holmes was at his best and Norton, likely past his best
     
  12. Mendoza

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    I would say Holmes best wins are Witherspoon, Norton, Cooney, Smith, and Mercer. These are better wins than Vitali has, but not by a huge margin.

    However Holmes barely defeated his best two wins in Witherspoon and Norton, would have taken Cooney the distance if the fight was 12 rounds, winning close on the cards. He caught James Smith early in his career at 14-1.

    The Mercer win was very impressive but a lot of that had to do with Mercer's shape and effort.
    Holmes lost to Spinks and got blown away by Tyson. I would say Vitali crushes Spinks 2x, and his loss to Lewis is much better than Holmes blowout loss to Tyson.

    Vitali's best wins are Sanders, Peter, Hide, Solis, and K. Johnson. Unlike Holmes, there were dominating types of performances across the board. I would also say the Lennox Lewis Vitali fought is better than anyone Holmes beat and take note Lewis who was never outboxed, and is in some ways better than Holmes as a boxer was down 4-2 on all scorecards.

    If you objectively look at it, Vitali was the master of scorecards, ahead of Chris Byrd with a torn shoulder ( reported round 3 in the corner ) and Lennox Lewis. Byrd and Lewis were two excellent boxers.

    Holmes lost rounds a lot of them to lesser men that Vitali would not in Williams and Spinks.

    I think Holmes is the better boxer. A master boxer with speed, better than Ali. However other things such as size, activity, and power go a long way in determining the winner in heavyweight boxing and Vitali who was a very good boxer in his own right has the edge here.
     
  13. ticar

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    Holmes clear UD or late tko, too good and too tough
     
  14. THE BLADE 2

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    I think Shavers (hardest puncher ever), Berbick (former Champ) and Weaver (who on that night was something) deserve a mention too. And since you take into account Vitali's losses, it is only fair to refer to the 2nd Spinks which most thought Holmes deserved to win. And unlike Vitali, Holmes was not beaten in his prime.

    I take your point that Vitali was dominant in his wins and was very competitive in his defeats. However, as for resume I do not think it is a close call that Holmes has the better wins.

    As for the Lewis fight, I think Vitali's performance is getting overrated/overhyped over time. If you put this into perspective, it was actually the only time Vitali fought an elite opponent and he lost without controversy. He fought an old and relatively out of shape ATG and could not beat him.Under these circumstances, it seems strange to suggest that he would beat prime Holmes.
     
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  15. NoNeck

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    I'm gonna go with Vitali. He generally did better on the cards than Holmes.