Miguel Cotto vs. David Lemieux

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Dignified torch-pass or triumphant bow-out?

Poll closed Dec 2, 2017.
  1. Cotto on points

    27 vote(s)
    24.8%
  2. Cotto by stoppage

    9 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    0.9%
  4. Lemieux on points

    4 vote(s)
    3.7%
  5. Lemieux by stoppage

    73 vote(s)
    67.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. mono

    mono Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Great fight. Very dangerous for Cotto. LeMule would be very dumb to accept a catchweight.
     
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  2. BCS8

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    Looks like Cotto wants that L to retire on ...

    Agree with Mono though, Lemieux can barely make 160, a catchweight would destroy him before the fight even started.
     
  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    You don't think Miguel Cotto's retirement bout rates a PPV? Mayweather vs. Berto was a PPV...and Lemieux (if that's what it ends up being) is no Berto.

    He's probably the 4th or arguably even 3rd biggest global draw in the sport since DLH, if not Tyson & Lewis.
     
  4. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    If Cotto is on his game he will box his way to a wide decision

    Lem is 1-D and gets frustrated very easily.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Nah. He can afford to chance pretty much any outcome in a cash-grab with Cotto, for multiple reasons IMO.

    1) By now with Lemieux, WYSIWYG. Everybody knows what he is, and what his limitations are. Just because Cotto outboxes him doesn't mean he won't land something big on Canelo. Styles make fights. Perceptions of his "puncher's chance" with any of the elite middles (GGG, Canelo, Jacobs vs. Arias winner etc) won't be harmed by even a 120-108 loss to Cotto, trust me.

    2) Again, poverty of expectations. There are no big money draws at middleweight for GGG/Canelo/Jacobs to go after unless they engage in an endless round-robin of insular rematches with each other. Lemieux is going to bring viewers, so he'll get a title shot with any of them next year without having to beg, no matter what happens between him and Cotto (unless he's savagely KTFO a`la D-Rod or something, but even then, eh...)

    3) Lemieux has put in yeoman's work since Golovkin beat him up, racking up four wins in two years, barely losing a round, and three of his four opponents were solid contenders. He is ranked highly, and losing to a junior middleweight champ moving up for a one-off farewell bout shouldn't affect your ranking even if this were to actually take place at the real MW limit and not some catchweight. It doesn't undo the work Lemieux has done since 2015. He will still be pretty close to next in line for another crack at Golovkin (even as much as he got tooled last time) after fellow rematch supplicants Jacobs and Canelo. It might once more not be competitive, but there's nobody more deserving or lucrative for Golovkin to face outside the aforementioned two rematches. Sort of like how Tony Thompson kept earning his way back to a Klitschko fight. The first time, you knew he wouldn't win but he earned his shot. The second time, you knew it was going to be a repeat of what we'd already seen - but again, he had clawed his way back there and earned the right to repeat the loss fair & square.
     
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  6. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    What do you mean? Jacobs is fighting Luis Arias literally two weeks before this match. He isn't deprived of anything.
     
  7. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I dunno...he actually did weigh in at 159lb even against Stevens, just this year.

    159¾ against Golovkin.

    A cw of 158 might not be outside the scope of reason..
     
  8. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    N'Dam? :risas3: No comment. Cotton still has good boxing skills, he's most likely taking roids since his body never healed from the brick beating Margarito gave him back in 08. Roids does a lot nowadays, it makes 40 the new 30 and 30 the new 20. He wasn't even fazed by Canelo's shots and Canelo's an extremely hard puncher, I had that fight 7-5 Canelo yet it was extremely close. Yet, he almost got knocked out by Floyd at 154 with pillow gloves a couple years back. The Freddy Roach shakes gives fighters absurd stamina and endurance. It couldn't do **** for Khan though, glass jaw is glass jaw.
     
  9. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Cotto would box his ears off
     
  10. DirtyDan

    DirtyDan Worst Poster of 2015 Full Member

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    Cotton is better now than he has been after the near death brick beating Margarito gave him back in 08. He was extremely frail and fragile after that beating, Pacquaio, Joshua Clottey and even Floyd "pillow fists" Mayweather punished him badly and nearly killed him. Roids does wonders to athletes though, these roids he's using now under Freddie Roach has given him new found durability and confidence as a fighter. He took Canelo's shots like they were candy and made the fight close. I had that fight 7-5 Canelo while I had the GGG-Nelo fight 6-6. Lemmy is a one dimensional caveman who LITERALLY unloads on all of his shots. His shots are so slow and telegraphed that I can see them from a mile away. Cotton is gonna unload to the body and sexually molest Lemmy with crisp left hooks to his fat body. Again, there's always a chance Lemmy lands that KO, but Cotton is gonna be roided out of his gills in his last fight and will take anything Lemmy has to offer.
     
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  11. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    We should know for sure in the next week or two whether Cotto and Lemieux are indeed facing each other as expected or separate opponents. That leaves under 2 months for press tours, marketing, training camp etc.
     
  12. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Would you consider Cotto/Lemieux a PPV fight?

    It definitely will be an action packed fight!
     
  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    A living legend of the sport hat was fairly recently middleweight lineal champ (and now more legitimately a light middleweight belt holder, in his late 30's) versus a young dangerous top 5-6ish middleweight contender (on h2h fighting ability including chin, power and intangibles- clearly not in terms of skill)? Yeah. I'd say it rates PPV if Mayweather vs. some cracker in his debut does.
     
  14. mono

    mono Well-Known Member Full Member

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    With the proper prep, sure. He weighed 163 for the Reyes fight, but that was a stay busy fight intended more for exposure. Dude is a beast when in shape.
     
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