Spence Vs Crawford 147 Who Wins?

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Spence vs Crawford

Poll closed Sep 9, 2019.
  1. Spence

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  2. Crawford

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You never move up & adjust, if Crawford moves to 147 that is when he will become acclimated to not being Undefeated. Crawford should never move up from 140, sure HGH will give him solid 147 if he wants to move to 147, but he will not gain reach/height, which were a primary element of his game so far, the punches that used to easily land at 130 vs blown up midgets like Gamboa will no longer be as effective at Welter, 140 is already in deep enough waters, do you want to see Crawford keep moving up till he becomes the blown-up midget & get sparked silly!?
     
  2. Goomba73

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    Crawford is a beast at JWW but will be will lose some of those advantages at WW. Spence is a beast at WW and should beat most in JMW and a few at MW. I think Spence would do the job in a competitive and entertaining fight.
     
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  3. JohnnyDrama99

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    There are plenty of examples of fighters moving up and adjusting to the heavier weight. Floyd for example moved up to 147 and became a full fledged welter. Manny, Ray Leonard, Hearns, Duran, DLH....the list is extensive and all prove that it happens within the sport. Usually it's something only special boxers can do successfully but even average boxers transition to higher weight classes as their bodies fill out with age.

    HGH is definitely a possibility this day in age, but before steroids and other performance enhancers flooded professional sports athletes from all realms simply gained weight naturally due to age as it became more difficult to maintain a higher metabolism.

    I have little doubt Crawford will shake up 147 having the skill set and talents that can mitigate the physical attributes from larger men. Once he completely acclimates and is able to carry the added weight the rest of the welterweight division will be in some trouble. Terry is a boxer who has all the qualities and versatility that makes him a problem for anyone in or around his weight class.

    Gamboa is not a great example for your stance on this topic. I don't think it deserves more than that from me
     
  4. eltirado

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    Gamboa is not a good example, because he was actually more genetically gifted than Crawford is. Yet it didn't help him out vs Crawford who wisely used his size & raw power to put Gamboa where he belongs at 135.

    Gamboa vs Crawford is the perfect example of what happens when excellent boxers give up their reach/height & move up.

    Hopkins 160 giving Tito 147 his first Loss (also by KO)

    G-Man (160) looking invincible vs Julian Jackson (154), this was puncher vs puncher nothing else

    Crawford uses his power (unlike Mayweather who uses his defense to not get hit in the first place), Crawford will not backdown from a slugfest at 147. Bad idea, Undisputed 140 (nobody done it) is more impressive than becoming an average Welter, why ruin it?
     
  5. JohnnyDrama99

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    I wouldn't go that far regarding who is genetically more gifted. I think both have their advantages. Gamboa was faster, but Terry is working with more athleticism than Gamboa. But that's not what made Gamboa a poor example. Those intangibles aren't the qualities that provide longevity, since those intangibles fade with age. The mentality and skills are what separate exceptional talent from greatness. Gamboa had a lot of talent, but his mentality and skills are not on par or even close to Crawford's.

    Gamboa/Crawford is a perfect example of "levels"....There are levels to the sweet science and those who are operating above their cut off get exposed. Terry exploited Gamboa's deficiencies as a pugilists....not as an inferior physical competitor. How that fight unfolded had everything to do with Terry being a better operator inside that ring from a skills and championship mentality perspective and nothing to do with Gamboa's height or reach.

    Hopkins beating Tito was more of a great big man beating a great small man....however, styles make fights and it really wouldn't matter what weight that fight took place at or if they both were natural middleweights. Hopkins style would always present problems for Tito regardless of any physical advantages. Tito was capable of beating top Middleweights having moved up and decimating William Joppy before his battle with Hopkins....So his loss to Bernard shouldn't be over rationalized because that was a great victory for Hopkins.

    Terry and Floyd shouldn't be compared as they are fundamentally different when it comes to their boxing style and mentality. They both have grit, but one is more defensive minded, the other more offensive minded. However....Crawford is more balanced than Floyd. Terrance has great defensive skills but having a more offensive style, it provides his opponents more opportunities for to get in their shots. One thing for certain is Terry won't be average in this sport. No matter what division he decides to challenge himself to conquer.

    I see your point in wanting TC to take the GGG route and stay in his natural weight class, unify and etch out his legacy that way but everyone is more concerned these days about money thanks to Floyd. The belts don't mean as much anymore. It's not all Floyd's fault....he is definitely a big part of this trend but the catalyst began years ago with the Alphabet Soup that created multiple champions in every weight class making it harder to recognize one true champion and even harder to unify a division with all the political hurdles fighters have to worry about.
     
  6. Farmboxer

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    Crawford, I didn't see that much in Spence, not sold on him........................Spence should fight Thurman next.............
     
  7. bandeedo

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    spence hurts crawford as much as he wants. right now, nobody beats spence at welter... nobody.
     
  8. tee_birch

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    Spence for me. A very good big guy will beat a very good small guy.

    I know TC is a huge LWW but Spence would have to chop a limb off to make 140
     
  9. ryuken87

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    Spence on size at the moment, and that he's a very good boxer (just not as good as Crawford).

    This is the kind of fight I wouldn't mind waiting a year or two for, if it allows Crawford to grow into WW and make it an even fight.
     
  10. eltirado

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    A 15% naturally proportionately bigger version of Gamboa would have given Terry his first L or at least the fight of his life. Divisions exist for a very good reason
     
  11. Farmboxer

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    I am not impressed with Spence, I think Crawford could beat him because he has a much better technique. Spence would lose to Thurman, that's who he should fight...............
     
  12. JohnnyDrama99

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    I don't really think the physical component played a role in this particular match up. Terry really didn't bully Gamboa in using his size and strength to dominate. It was the skills and style he used to systematically take Gamboa apart that earned him the victory
     
  13. bandeedo

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    the idea that size is only beneficial if used to bully an opponent is ridiculous. size affects the effect your punches have on the fighter with less mass and vise versa, the amount of space you can cover, the rates of energy consumption when holding or leaning into each other, the number of additional tactical advantages that can be employed with a size advantage, and the psychological advantages and disadvantages that all those things create in both those fighters.
     
  14. Boxingfan200

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    can't believe spence is winning this poll LMAO. Crawfords skills willmake spence look like a beginner.
     
  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    spence wrecks crawford easier than he did brook.
     
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