Do you consider the heavyweight division one of the least talented division?

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  1. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Seems that way.

    All the top fighters in the heavyweight division seem to have holes in their game. And a lot of them don't seem very technically complete as fighters. If you were compare the talent level of heavyweights now to the 90s, there's a big difference. The 90s heavyweights take it easily. And a lot of people criticize the heavyweights for several things. Like critics says Wilder just has a big punch and that's it. Everyone makes fun of his awful technique & windmilling. Critics says Joshua is stiff, immobile and gases. Critics says Parker has no true punch power and has poor defense .

    It just seems to me that many heavyweights are not very complete as a fighter compared to fighters in other weight classes. Lots of them have poor defense, stamina or mobility but there's always something. Most heavyweights these days seem to have size, a big punch and power, that's about it. Seems very basic to me.

    I'd say Wladimir Klitschko was more complete of a fighter than all the current heavyweights and he's retired. That's just sad. Hell, even Luis Ortiz is more technically complete than the top heavyweights and he's old as a dinosaur.

    What do you think?
     
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  2. vnyc

    vnyc Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Joshua is just big , flatfooted robot on roids. 40 yo past prime Wlad looked like Ali against Joshua , floored him and outboxed him for a good part of the fight. Wlad has lost his power and was still able to knock Joshua down, that’s why Wilder with his explosiveness and power has very good chance to KO Joshua.
    So yes this era is much weaker then Klitchko era.
     
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  3. Boxingfan200

    Boxingfan200 USYK #1 P4P banned Full Member

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    not really.. its better now then it was 2005-2015.
     
  4. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    No.
    Although certainly not one of the strong ones, it is quite clear that despite the shortcomings of the big guys, top guys coming in from a lower weight like Cruiser (who only didn't have to dehydrate) usually don't have much of a chance against them, which is an indicator.
    There are lower weightclasses with far less talent in them. Strawweight is, and has always been the weakest of the weak whatever way you look at it, and Lightweight has been made up of a bunch of lightweights for most of the decade, if you catch my drift.
    Light Flyweight has a couple of decent to good guys on the top, but seriously lacks depth... with almost exclusively upcomers mixed with journeymen beyond the top50
     
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  5. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Worst promoted outside of a few guys.... Not the worst in terms of actual talent. If we the hardcore fans could play god and given absolute control over the division it would be the **** again. 100% guaranteed.
     
  6. Todd498

    Todd498 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ibragimov, prime Chagaev, Byrd, prime Haye... all those guys beat Wilder and Joshua. They'd have their work cut out for them against Povetkin though. But we see what they're trying their best to do with him. Maybe Joshua or Wilder will fight him when he's 41.
     
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  7. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Wladimir gone,
    I'd say Povetkin & Ortiz are more technically complete than all the other heavyweights.
     
  8. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Povetkin & Ortiz represent the old age era, Wilder vs Ortiz is the ultimate battle between the older generation Heavyweights, vs the new generation.

    Ortiz skills are elite level so no excuses....Its the most difficult test for the least schooled modern Heavyweight Champion. Deontay Wilder using his long range weaponry alone will neutralize the dog-fighting skills Ortiz learned in the last 4 decades of his life.

    An average Soldier with an AK-47 can kill any elite level swordsman, Deontay Wilder starts a new era
     
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  9. Gil Gonzalez

    Gil Gonzalez Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The heavyweight division is a disgrace.
     
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  10. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Spot-on post.

    I think it says something about Heavyweight that so few Cruisers, many of whom are boiled-down heavyweights, would rather campaign full time in that division (which is less lucrative & deeper) than go for a sustained run at HW. You'll find a few who will move up in a one-off scenario, but Haye and Adamek are really the only 2 guys I can think of in the last 10 years to make the move up and stick there.

    Strawweight's always the weakest, and probably always will be. If there ever was great depth to it, the average fan wouldn't even know it due to the lack of exposure.
     
  11. Max Thunder

    Max Thunder Proud member of the Cult of Vikings Full Member

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    "In the heavyweight division you don't need skills." -Deontay Wilder
     
  12. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Generally, yes. The top heavyweights are physically talented "strong" and "sturdy" but slow and with sloppy technique compared to the lower weightclasses.
     
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  14. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Even the ATG's don't "measure up" in the real p4p sense, like say if you shrunk Wladimir Klitschko to half of his real size, he's basically a poor man's Sergei Fedchenko.

    Being considered "skilled" at heavyweight is a VERY relative term.
     
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  15. ipitythefool

    ipitythefool Prediction ? Pain Full Member

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    Yes it's a weak division. Some evidence - Wilder who has next to no boxing skills has held a world title for nearly 3 years, a part time teacher (Molina) has had 2 world title shots, a boxer with no real strengths (Martin) held a title and many seem to hope a severely obese , exchamp (Fury) returns to liven things up. Pretty poor tbh.