Where does power come from?

But that's not the kind of thing you'd pick up on if you were trying to emulate him.
You'd be focused on the defense, head movement, etc.

And they might've spent two years learning how to punch hard before ever going to a gym.

 

My thought is that his mindset led to his lack of power. He figured out how he wanted to fight at some point and directed his attention accordingly.

 

F*ck me running!

You think by hitting NOTHING you will increase your power? rez, I think you need some fresh air.

First you said that a "shoulder snap" was what all punchers had (you even disagreed with your own comment when comparing Golovkin & Canelo), now you're saying that to increase POWER you only need FRESH AIR.

Think of what you're saying, rez.

There is a reason why coaches how their guys throw medicine balls at walls, use barbells in a corner with weight on to mimic punching, why there are heavy bags in gyms that go up in weight, why Tyson was using heavier and heavier bags when he was coming through...

Let me tell you something about your "mechanics". You will over exaggerate your punches EVERY time when throwing full power. Why? Because you would be hitting fresh air. And because there is no resistance, how would you get those punchers to have more spite on them? And think about the conditioning aspect of it too. You'd be breathing out of your ar$e if you went from hitting nothing to going onto the bags.

Try hitting a bag, and then hitting harder than your last punch. It works. Shadow boxing is for technique, not power. Nobody goes all out when shadow boxing as it's good for warming up & visualisation. Bags are meant for power and endurance.

It just sounds like you don't like hitting heavy bags.

When Foreman was cracking the bag and the guy holding it was going all over the place, are you saying that hitting fresh air would have had the same benefits as that? You're out of your mind if you think so.

 

Jesus...

 

Jesus...

So somebody who BOXES FOR A LIVING doesn't want to punch harder or just hasn't thought about it?

You have to be trolling with this nonsense.

Why would you NOT want to punch harder if your job is PUNCHING PEOPLE FOR A LIVING!?!?!

 

People used to think that the Earth was the center of the universe, smoking was healthy, bloodletting cured diseases, etc.

Just because we are doing it doesn't mean it's correct.

 

I don't think Paulie ever considered any other way of fighting so he trained accordingly.
Punching is most certainly a learned skill. The number of people that are"natural" punchers is negligible; Julian Jackson spoke often about how he was taught to punch. Even if the punching power is natural, the ability to apply that power must be learned.

 

Actual fighters aren't concerned with punching power. My old coach pretty much instilled in everyone not to worry about punching power. Be more focused about connecting your fist on the opponents chin.

It's only on the internet that people are obsessed with how hard someone hits. It doesn't take a lot to knock someone out. Accuracy is far more important.

 

Yeah, it's insane. The idea that people who choose to fight for a living could learn to develop themselves into knockout artists but are instead ok with being feather-fisted instead is downright comical. You have to have an extremely low opinion of the average pro boxer's common sense and capacity for rational thought.

 

I wonder if Shotputters train for an event by merely throwing their arm forward without any resistance, or if olympic swimmers simply stand and windmill their arms to increase their power levels when training for freestyle events?
After all, if this punching thin air nonsense works for increasing power in boxing, then surely the above 2 examples would suffice!

 

There are any number of very good reasons why a coach might tell people not to worry about power in the gym. I agree with you that there are people in this forum who seem to fixated on power (so much so that they seek to think that it's the main point of heavybag work and even shadow boxing). But that being said, the idea that--a pro fighter--someone who could enjoy greater fame, riches, and physical safety if he were able to punch hard--is content with being a soft puncher and simply doesn't care about his lack of punching power just seems comical to me.

 

I don't just think you can increase your power hitting air, I KNOW you can.
Look at Jack Dempseys book and his advice on increasing punching power. It has little to do with using a heavybag, and it has everything to do with mechanics.

Even the things coaches CAN teach you about increasing your power don't require a heavybag.
Things like proper balance and pushing off your feet. Eventually you apply these things on a heavybag, but you don't need a solid object in front of you to learn them.

You're starting to get too loose and abstract. If you need a solid object in front of you to punch hard while remaining balanced, how in the hell does GGG, Louis, Tyson, Foreman miss punches without falling forward?
They're not exaggerating. They're very poised and controlled with their punching, despite the fact that the punches can take heads off.

There is no doubt that this is conventional thinking for many. But if Foreman and Louis disagree, then who is right?

If half the forum insulted me for liking Vanilla, the other half would insult me for liking Chocolate, I swears it.

 

Btw, do many people actually shadowbox by throwing punches as hard as they can?? Seems like a recipe for injury, and a waste of time.

 

if you can squat a house when your tired i'd say that's pretty good going Dagowop !

 

This thread is mindboggling