History Will Not Be Kind To Andre Ward

HerolGee · Oct 1, 2017

Sephiroth Rising 7 said: ↑

In the realm of boxing he is what you'd call a certified coward..
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you calling him a coward, or you calling Ward a cow?

or Cow Ward is ok as a nickname, but calling a boxer a coward, no go.

Sephiroth Rising 7 · Oct 1, 2017

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Im really truly not an Andre Ward fan, i was rooting for kovalev in both fights and i find his style to be incredibly boring and unappealing but anyone who isnt a pro fighter himself calling a professional boxer a coward is just a pompous arrogant arm chair quarterback. OP how many punches have you taken in your life?

LOL at GGG being a threat to Ward.

If anything he avoided Beterbiev.

But Ward has no responsibility to keep on fighting and risking his life in the ring if he doesnt want to. His only responsibility is to himself and to his family. If he wants to call it quits then its his right to do so.

Even fighting once professionally is more than 99.999% of people on this forum have ever accomplished.
Boxing fans are so spoiled and arrogant.
This general forum has turned into a ****ing cesspool of entitled fat pricks who have never even sparred before but somehow have the balls to go call fighters cowards and quitters.
Funny how you Fighters and trainers, people who know how much effort it actually takes to become a top fighter, are much more reluctant to label other fighters as cowards.
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Surprise surprise.... another tough guy who is ripped to shreds in his own mind at the expense of everyone else who just so happen to be fat slobs!

You have no idea what kind of combat that I've experienced or of my physical condition which is beyond comprehension, considering I am someone who possesses knowledge on how to preserve and regenerate the cells of the body.

As for Ward, just because he possesses the title of a boxer does not mean he cannot be guilty of cowardice. A firefighter who refuses to extinguish the flames when confronted with a burning house is still a coward even though his occupation is considered a dangerous one reserved for the brave.

He had the chance to fight GGG yet turned his back away from the opportunity and retired. He just about survived against Kovalev, what do you think GGG would have done to him who is more aggressive and relentless than kovalev not to mention better conditioned?

Contro · Oct 1, 2017

Sephiroth Rising 7 said: ↑

Surprise surprise.... another tough guy who is ripped to shreds in his own mind at the expense of everyone else who just so happen to be fat slobs!

You have no idea what kind of combat that I've experienced or of my physical condition which is beyond comprehension, considering I am someone who possesses knowledge on how to preserve and regenerate the cells of the body.

As for Ward, just because he possesses the title of a boxer does not mean he cannot be guilty of cowardice. A firefighter who refuses to extinguish the flames when confronted with a burning house is still a coward even though his occupation is considered a dangerous one reserved for the brave.

He had the chance to fight GGG yet turned his back away from the opportunity and retired. He just about survived against Kovalev, what do you think GGG would have done to him who is more aggressive and relentless than kovalev not to mention better conditioned?
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You should seek psychological counseling

like a boss · Oct 1, 2017

Contro said: ↑

You should seek psychological counseling
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No doubt about that. What a fruit cake.

Sephiroth Rising 7 · Oct 1, 2017

Contro said: ↑

You should seek psychological counseling
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More ad hominuim attacks. Have you got any more?

So far we've had fat, idiot, and braindead.

Not one post from any of the Ward apologists has addressed any of the facts laid bare in this thread concerning his career.

Braindamage · Oct 1, 2017

Sephiroth Rising 7 said: ↑

Upon hearing the news of Ward's retirement, I have to say I was very disappointed though not surprised. Not that I'm a fan of Ward however it is clearly evident that he has several more fights left in him at the top that would have been great for boxing.

I've read that he feels that his body can no longer take the demands of sport. This is the same man who was saying he was in the best shape of his life prior to the Kovalev rematch and now all of a sudden it's broken down?! Ward should not take all boxing fans for fools! It is clear there are other factors at play here and rather there being organic reasons for retiring, I believe it is both mental and political. A man who does not wish to throw the dice once more, out of cowardice. History will see to it that he took the easy way out instead of taking on the necessary challenges which could have truly cemented him as a genuine legend.

This decision will ruin what was otherwise on course for a great ATG career had he continued on and silenced all the naysayers, who I might add, are well within the rights to question this man's credentials. A man who calls himself the 'Son Of God'' Forgive us for assuming that he would be able to achieve great feats.

When we carefully observe his record there is no question that he has faced formidable foes, however it has often been too far in between with well documented long lay offs and inactivity, which you can rightly argue were things beyond his control.

There is indeed legitimate wins with Froch and Abraham. The other two big opponents were Kessler and Kovalev, both fights ending with big question marks concerning the legitimacy decisions to award Ward victory, after both bouts involved questionable judging, wayward officiating and home town advantages.

Now when all of the smoke has cleared, and we think with clarity looking back in time, can we honestly say that this man deserves to be flooded with accolades and went through every single top opponent with conclusive victories and and had no unfinished business?

Ward is highly aware of the media and fan's criticisms directed his way concerning his style, his aversion to fighting outside of his country and of course speculation concerning his alliances with judges and officials.

I say, true champions go out of their way to silence their critics and prove them wrong and want to continue to beat those who they consider to be threat their thrown. Yet Ward has gone the opposite direction of where a true great champion would tread.

This is a man who is reluctant to honor rematch clauses let alone freely agree to one in order to clear any controversies. He hasn't proven that he is capable of fighting outside of the U.S without hometown officials and judges who stamp approvals. And he has not done anything to in his last several fights to dispel notion that he is an outright cheat.

The man only turned 33 several months ago and has now retired off the back of two questionable wins - one which was downright lllegal - just so he could stroke his ego and say he was undefeated. This is arguably what you would call a hit and run.

Beterbeiv, Canelo and GGG were all waiting in the wings, willing and ready to do battle with anyone providing the price is right, yet Ward would hear nothing of it. He went on record and outright refused to consider fighting GGG after fighting Kovalev. This after offering him unrealistic terms several years back when he knew GGG was already contracted to fight someone else.

All just so he could attempt to shame GGG by running to tell the media that GGG turned it down without even disclosing the clauses. Now GGG was free and ready he has now decided to retire and to be quite honest, I do not blame him. For Ward should be bowing down on his knees before retiring to bed every single night and thanking his God Yahweh for delivering him away from ever having to share a ring with GGG.

It would have been a real champion vs a counterfeit one who is only concerned with the the number 0 on their record. GGG is 36 and has no intention of stopping. This is a man who will not rest until every belt is strapped around his waist and not until he has conquered every single challenger who dares to contest for his throne
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LOL All this butthurtedness is great! ! That's what all you Ward haters get! Whooped up your hero, got the lions share, got to stepping with his mind in tact, his bank account full and the haters left with tears in their eyes! Don't get no better than this Seph! The only one to pull off a better get away was Mayweather! Which I'm sure he will be making another appearance and pulling down another 100mil.
As far as history not being kind? Ward never had a big following anyway. He had about the same amount of haters as fans which isn't a lot, so the point is mute. 20-30 years from now people will look at his record and notice the wins and that's it! The "controversy" will all but be forgotten! Hell, we'll probably be talking about Samsung robots fighting and not real humans in another 30 years anyway. So enjoy that human combat while you can. LOL

Pimp C · Oct 1, 2017

Sephiroth Rising 7 said: ↑

Upon hearing the news of Ward's retirement, I have to say I was very disappointed though not surprised. Not that I'm a fan of Ward however it is clearly evident that he has several more fights left in him at the top that would have been great for boxing.

I've read that he feels that his body can no longer take the demands of sport. This is the same man who was saying he was in the best shape of his life prior to the Kovalev rematch and now all of a sudden it's broken down?! Ward should not take all boxing fans for fools! It is clear there are other factors at play here and rather there being organic reasons for retiring, I believe it is both mental and political. A man who does not wish to throw the dice once more, out of cowardice. History will see to it that he took the easy way out instead of taking on the necessary challenges which could have truly cemented him as a genuine legend.

This decision will ruin what was otherwise on course for a great ATG career had he continued on and silenced all the naysayers, who I might add, are well within the rights to question this man's credentials. A man who calls himself the 'Son Of God'' Forgive us for assuming that he would be able to achieve great feats.

When we carefully observe his record there is no question that he has faced formidable foes, however it has often been too far in between with well documented long lay offs and inactivity, which you can rightly argue were things beyond his control.

There is indeed legitimate wins with Froch and Abraham. The other two big opponents were Kessler and Kovalev, both fights ending with big question marks concerning the legitimacy decisions to award Ward victory, after both bouts involved questionable judging, wayward officiating and home town advantages.

Now when all of the smoke has cleared, and we think with clarity looking back in time, can we honestly say that this man deserves to be flooded with accolades and went through every single top opponent with conclusive victories and and had no unfinished business?

Ward is highly aware of the media and fan's criticisms directed his way concerning his style, his aversion to fighting outside of his country and of course speculation concerning his alliances with judges and officials.

I say, true champions go out of their way to silence their critics and prove them wrong and want to continue to beat those who they consider to be threat their thrown. Yet Ward has gone the opposite direction of where a true great champion would tread.

This is a man who is reluctant to honor rematch clauses let alone freely agree to one in order to clear any controversies. He hasn't proven that he is capable of fighting outside of the U.S without hometown officials and judges who stamp approvals. And he has not done anything to in his last several fights to dispel notion that he is an outright cheat.

The man only turned 33 several months ago and has now retired off the back of two questionable wins - one which was downright lllegal - just so he could stroke his ego and say he was undefeated. This is arguably what you would call a hit and run.

Beterbeiv, Canelo and GGG were all waiting in the wings, willing and ready to do battle with anyone providing the price is right, yet Ward would hear nothing of it. He went on record and outright refused to consider fighting GGG after fighting Kovalev. This after offering him unrealistic terms several years back when he knew GGG was already contracted to fight someone else.

All just so he could attempt to shame GGG by running to tell the media that GGG turned it down without even disclosing the clauses. Now GGG was free and ready he has now decided to retire and to be quite honest, I do not blame him. For Ward should be bowing down on his knees before retiring to bed every single night and thanking his God Yahweh for delivering him away from ever having to share a ring with GGG.

It would have been a real champion vs a counterfeit one who is only concerned with the the number 0 on their record. GGG is 36 and has no intention of stopping. This is a man who will not rest until every belt is strapped around his waist and not until he has conquered every single challenger who dares to contest for his throne
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Andre ward will be in the hof in 5 years all this hate and bitterness is irrelevant and won't change that. Lastly ward will forever own kovalev between the ropes and his haters.

rhin0z> · Oct 1, 2017

The hate alone is a testament to the skill, will, and champions determination of SOG. It is always lonely at the top having bowed all that stood before him and their fans. This hate may never be love , but it will be respect for the GREATNESS OF SOG, A CHAMPIONS CHAMPION.

Pimp C · Oct 1, 2017

Sephiroth Rising 7 said: ↑

GGG is his biggest threat and Ward wanted nothing to do with him. Nothing!
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Ggg would be lucky to win 2 rounds against ward and I'm being serious. Ward would absolutely savage ggg on the inside and frustrate the hell out if him. Ggg can be outboxed he's not outboxing ward.

He's not ready for that work there's a reason why ggg was willing to go to 168 to fight froch and Chavez jr but not ward there. He nor his fans wanted that fight and made every excuse in the book as to why it shouldn't happen. Do you not think no one was here back then when that happened? It was ward isn't a draw. Ward needs to move up. Ward needs to fight kovalev. Ggg only wants to unify.

Like I always said ggg and his fans were the happiest people on the planet when ward announced his retirement. Where was all this tough talk from ggg fans when ward was active? Now that he's retired they want to poke their chest out. You fools are too much and have no shame.

rhin0z> · Oct 1, 2017

Pimp C said: ↑

Like I always said ggg and his fans were the happiest people on the planet when ward announced his retirement. Where was all this tough talk from ggg fans when ward was active? Now that he's retired they want to poke their chest out. You fools are too much and have no shame.
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Pimp C · Oct 1, 2017

BCS8 said: ↑

Actually Beterbiev would beat him to a pulp even worse than Golovkin. Nevermind that Beterbiev looks like a stone sculpture and barely makes LHW ... he likes to fight on the inside which is Ward's strength whereas GGG would probably just box from the outside. Bad style matchup for Ward and a likely fight considering they are the same division.
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Just like kovalev was supposed to right? Tell me how did that work out for you?

3rdegree · Oct 1, 2017

Sephiroth Rising 7 said: ↑

Wrong.

I simply believe he took the easy way out and tarnished his own legacy by choosing to avoid the current era of top fighters within his proximity.

Had he continued on and fought the likes of GGG, Canelo, or Bellew or Joshua - the latter two, whose names he was using to bolster his own = he'd have propelled himself into an eternal great. However now he will remain on the fringes where only the hardcore underground fans acknowledge his existence and where the outer circle will know only him as the low blow champion..
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The icing on Sleepy's disappointment cake was certainly the last two fights of his career. A sickening way to go out even for Andre and that is why I suspect he'll have another fight in which he doesn't have to use illegal tactics to ensure a victory.

mirkofilipovic · Oct 1, 2017

Pimp C said: ↑

Just like kovalev was supposed to right? Tell me how did that work out for you?
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Kovalev was outboxing Ward in his two fights with him, Beterbiev is a better inside fighter, much more powerful and is a more accomplished technical/amateur boxer than Kovalev.

After the two Kovalev fiascos nobody will want to fight Ward in his hometown anymore due to corruption, so Ward wont have any leverage or advantage in any of his future comeback fights anymore. And Ward wont travel anywhere because it will disable his cheating tactics and his pro officials.

leone25 · Oct 1, 2017

Pound4pound most boring boxer

BCS8 · Oct 1, 2017

Pimp C said: ↑

Just like kovalev was supposed to right? Tell me how did that work out for you?
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Pretty well, I'd say.

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