Vasyl Lomachenko - The Best Opposition Ratio of all time

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  1. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Loma keeps winning from here on, in few years he will be statistically the GOAT in multiple categories.

    Orlando Salido cemented his place in boxing history, the rematch is a must based on the "beaten every man he faced" footnote that Vasyl needs. Gene Tunney & LL went for that, so Vasyl might do it...A Great boxer always comes better in rematches, a draw with Salido requires a rematch, so it can be a triology or more ala Tunney-Greb
     
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  2. JohnnyDrama99

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    Sheesh...Some of you guys really drive a hard bargain around here. No consideration that Loma has only 11 fights and has challenged himself more than any other pro boxer at the beginning of their career? And D and C level opponents is a fallacy. There's not one C or D level name on Loma's resume
     
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  3. eltirado

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    It really depends what he means by C & D, which letter indexing system is her referring to?

    If its A, B , C, D, E, F, then C-D = Assumed Average subzero record fighters right down at 50%, but in practice* boxers with losing records due to their numeric dominance in boxing, which makes SK claim far-fetched

    If he meant full letter indexing A-Z, then C-D are in the upper percentile 11.5% to 15.3% of the best boxers records, which is still inaccurate but not too far from the truth, when the fighters are examined subjectively.

    *More than 50% of boxers have losing records, mainly due to the unbalanced disparity between losses & wins. (More than one boxer losses to build up a prospect), so in the A-F classing, D, E & F will be exclusively reserved for boxers with losing records. Then at C you might begin to see some subzero records, at B you see winning records, at A are the boxers we talk about in the forums
     
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  4. The Akbar One

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    Martinez is top quality now? Nobody who has 50/50 Wars with old man Salido is top quality opposition, or that good for that matter. He hasn't lost to Rigondeaux yet.
     
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  5. eltirado

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    Martinez is a 3 time world champion, a reigning Champion when Vasyl beat him? not a top quality opponent?
     
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  6. The Akbar One

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    Martinez wasn't better than Sosa or Walters.
     
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  7. JohnnyDrama99

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    The way he disposed of Walters, Sosa and Martinez validated Loma as a p4p elite. The kid is on a rampage with a lot of momentum
     
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  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon.

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    Jimmy Britt, Leon Spinks, Pete Rademacher, Lionel Butler, Oleg Maskaev
     
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  9. Dfaulds

    Dfaulds Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This makes much more sense than just calculating the W/L of fighters you beat.

    This puts Loma at 11.4.
     
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  10. The Akbar One

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    Walters was on the shelf for almost a year, and didn't even fight back. How did that tell you anything. If Walters had Marriaga's heart it would have been a great win for Loma, but it wasn't ****, how it played out. It's like saying that Lennox Lewis's win over McCall is a great win.
     
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  11. JohnnyDrama99

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    The ring rust could have played a part, but Walters was very dominant throughout his career up until he met Loma inside the ring. Another reason That could be attributed to Walters not fighting back or well could be as simple as who his opponent was and the style he presented. No one outside of Salido has looked good against Loma. The rest looked as outclassed and befuddled as Walters.

    Lennox's win over Oliver was a good win but if you are comparing Oliver to Walters.... it's a stretch. Oliver wasn't dominant like Nicholas was as a champion. McCall defended once or twice against limited opponents where Nick defended his title 6 times against top level opponents before losing to Loma. So the win over Walters for Loma has more substance than LL's win over McCall...for Lewis the win was redemption for getting starched in two when he first faced Oliver. So it sweetened the win a bit for him
     
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  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    Please, even Mikey Garcia had a thought time with Salido.
     
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  13. elmerbud

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    Now Loma has 90%(!!!) professional fights for world title. I think this record is for all kinds of sport on Earth.
    His next fight will be tenth for world championship (same amount like Crawford has). For example: Andre Ward's resume includes 9 same fights, Mikey Garcia - only 5!
     
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  14. The Akbar One

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    That was a younger more formidable Salido, and nobody would say that Martinez did better against an old shopworn Salido than Garcia did against a younger Salido.
     
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  15. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things.

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    Garcia and Loma fights were 13 months apart. GTFO.
     
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