A critical analysis of Jeffries vs Ruhlin

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  1. TBI

    TBI Active Member Full Member

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    My objective was entertainment/comedy first, analysis second...

    I hope you enjoy watching it as much as I did making it.
     
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  3. Perry

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    Not much of a technical analysis although you did catch the double hook earlier in the round. Towards round end Jeffries throws a triple hook. Jeff appeared to have a short and crippling hook to the body. At times it appears he is just reaching in however he is instead connecting with that short left hook to the body. I believe if there was any way to remaster this footage so it approached modern footage in quality we would all be impressed with what prime Jeffries brought to the table.
     
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    I appreciate your watching. No frame-by-frame breakdowns here. I did not intend to perform a complicated analysis, but to offer some laughs and some fun.

    You can't help but point out Jeffries defensive deficiencies though hahaha
     
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  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Impossible to determine Jeffries "defensive deficiencies" from that relatively short and erratic film clip. He has his opponent hurt and on the retreat and as such he is going all out for the KO attacking every moment. It does illustrate that Jeffries was able to throw double and triple left hooks.
     
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  6. TBI

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    It is possible... By viewing that clip. He walks around with his hands down below his waist.
    As I mentioned in the vid, this is only one round out of 4.

    You don't need to be Ray Arcel to break this down; all the analysis needed for this guy was provided... He rarely throws right hands, a fact proved not only in the vid but in the current thread about the Corbett vs Jeffries stats, which report <25% of his punches were right hands.
    He keeps his hands low, begging to eat right hands and left hooks, on his way in to throw a left hook to the belly.

    I'm simply commenting on what is seen.
     
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    Jeffries knocked down every opponent he fought save Johnson...many with body shots
     
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    Oh P, you can see his is vulnerable to the right hand over the top,he is begging to be crossed!
     
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    How many of them were 200lbs?
     
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  10. TBI

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    You can see why- he has a real belief in that hook to the body. No doubt he had some power behind them.

    These days though, you leave on a stretcher if you lead in with left hooks to the body like that.
     
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    Is this due to the de-evolution of boxing?
     
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  12. Perry

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    Holding hands low does not mean one is easy to hit. Period.

    This is one round in a fight Jeffries is dominating and looking for the KO. You cannot determine DEFENSIVE capabilities from such a round especially considering the quality of the film as well as the defensive techniques of the day which were "finer points of the game".
     
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    Are you saying one is just as easily hit if they have their hands up? That's what I hear you saying...

    It doesn't mean they're necessarily easy to hit, just easier to hit... In Ali or Roy Jones' case, that doesn't hurt them too badly, as they're already hard to hit.

    Jeff is different. He's getting away with that against a guy who is both inept and terrified. Jim is also famous for taking punishment, which has been noted many times, so we know he's got a reputation for eating punches, so yes, based on the film and reports he is "easy to hit"...

    Let him pull that stuff with literally any world class heavyweight and everyone goes home early.
     
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    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ridiculous statements. You are showing one round in a bout he is DOMINATING. You cannot infer nuances such as defensive ability in a round where Jeffries is going all out for the KO.

    The greatest defensive boxers who ever lived fought with low guard. Footwork, stance, head movement and the ability to slip, block, parry punches is how great fighters avoid punches not by covering up mid ring.
     
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    I'll say what's ridiculous is that statement, considering Jeffries is NOT regarded by anyone as a defensive specialist or even remarkable defensively at all.

    The low guard thing gets a pass when you're Ali or Jones for example, but that's because it's remarkable that despite their low guard, they are defensively adept.


    I guess all those subtle nuances and techniques are lost between frames of this old film...

    Even if they did exist, they would be lost on me because I don't know what I'm looking at (IDKSAB)... Did I get it right? hahaha
     
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