Which fight caused Ali`s braindamage?!

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  1. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you cannot blame one fight on that sort of condition. He could have gotten Parkinsons even had he never boxed, but it probably sped up the process to where he got it earlier.
     
  2. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Pardon?
     
  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    The Coopman fight.
     
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  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    u eard
     
  5. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I went many times to Deer lake PA to watch Ali train between 74 and 78. Something in between this time period happened to Ali as my friends and I all noticed it. Specifically prior to his second bout with Spinks. He appeared "slow" both in his training and his speech. He rarely spoke during his training for Spinks and in retrospect he must have realized something was wrong.
     
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  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Do you think this was before or after he started taking the "thyroid medication"?
     
  7. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No idea. At the time the press, the NY press, kept mentioning that Ali was "not talking" during the months leading to the fight inferring how serious he was taking the fight. To me and those who visited his camp with me we all thought something else was going on. Ali was noticeably slower, mechanical and had that "far away" look in his eyes. At least this is how we all described it at the time.
     
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  8. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    We all know that he wasn't the same after his comeback fight with Quarry in October 1970....didn't have the same speed or reflex's that he had from 1963-1967...he basically became a punching bag in the 1970's....
     
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You can absolutely see and hear the deterioration by 1979...

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  10. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I would not say that. Certainly Ali was not the same fighter post his 4 year layoff. However he was certainly a great fighter. In fact it was his performances in the 70's that made him an ATG hwt. Specifically his win over then thought to be unbeatable Foreman and his comeback to beat Frazier in Manila. Ali's decline from being a great fighter was after 1975 especially evident during both bouts with Spinks.
     
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  11. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This was the Ali I remember seeing at Deer Lake.

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  12. TBI

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    That brain damage began when he was a teen.

    Making a career out of getting hit in the head leads to brain malfunctions...

    Fighting some of the heaviest punchers ever to walk the earth also contributes.
     
  13. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    "Led by Arizona State University speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss, the analysis determined that the rate of syllables per second at which Ali spoke slowed by 26 percent from age 26 to 39. He was slurring his words by 1978 -- three years before his retirement from boxing and six years before his Parkinson's diagnosis."

    http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/...y-reveals-early-indications-parkinson-disease

    https://www.acsh.org/news/2017/08/2...lis-speech-head-blows-includes-concerns-11735
     
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  14. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali suffered from really 3 fights that slowly sneaked up on him and those were the 3 Frazier fights and his poor sparring methods in the 70's combined. By 1977 in the shavers fight one can visibly see he was missing something in the ring the way he fought and acted. The Holmes fight probably hurt him the most even if Holmes was pulling most punches i believe that fight put the irreversible damage on him.With modern advances in medical exams he would never have been allowed to fight in 1980.
     
  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Based upon the results of his examination prior to his bout with Holmes he never should have been allowed to fight.