History Will Not Be Kind To Andre Ward

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    The best decision Ward ever made was deciding to avoid GGG.

    You talk as if you know the offer. it was insulting and the intention behind it was for it to be turned down which it was. Similar to khan's ridiculous offer to Brook which he knew would be rejected, yet dumb fanboys lap it all up and pretend it was in earnest to fight.

    GGG beat the living daylights out of Canelo and you think Ward's inside work would be enough to fend off temple shots?

    This mythical inside game which people like yourself crow on about consists of smothering, elbowing and diving in with the head while attempting to sneak in low blows disguised as body shots.

    GGG isn't kovalev and doesn't need distance to throw combinations, neither does body shots or counters effect him. He simply walks through anything and everything. Canelo threw the kitchen sink at him, who is far more powerful than Ward could ever dream, even with roids loaded in his system, and yet that didn't deter GGG from coming forward against one of the most deadliest counter punchers ever seen in the middleweight division.

    Against Ward he simply would cut off the ring, suffocate him, and make him bleed profusely before pounding him into complete and utter submission.
     
  2. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    his best decision was to NOT to decide? hows that work?
     
  3. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    and he still lost twice. He must have boxed really badly during the times he wasnt outboxing him.
     
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  4. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ward lost the first fight and you can argue was on his way to winning the second legimately were it not for the low blows. However because Ward didn't have the confidence that he was capable of finishing Kovalev off legally he reverted to type and resorted back to cheating to make sure he got his way as he didnt wish to take the risk of kovalev finishing the round and recovering and coming back into the fight. Which is the mark of a coward.

    Like Kovalev's manager famously said ''If I’m going to rob a bank and I’m going to get a million dollars from a bank and police aren’t going to catch me, guess what? I’m a lucky millionaire, right? So he’s a lucky f***ing champion


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  5. Braindamage

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    I, as you might recall, admitted that Kov won the first fight, but my problem is with the "robbery" nonsense! The second fight, I disagree with you. Kov was being worn down and beat up badly. He was looking for a way out. The proof of this is the legal body shot in the early part of the 8th round. He turned his back and acted like the shot was low when it obviously was not! Shortly after that, he got clipped by Wards acurate right hand that send Kov into survival mode. Once he retreated into the ropes, he was done as grandmas fried chicken! I will agree that weeks should have given Kov a count on the basis that Kov slumped into the ropes. That is the only thing that I feel was officiated wrong and this is up for debate. Ward proved to be superior to Kovalev and will rate many levels higher than Kovalev when history is revisited decades from now.
     
  6. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    The only reason Kovalev turned his back when it wasn't a body shot, was because Weeks stopped addressing the issue after already warning Ward in the earlier rounds, which gave Ward the green light to do as he pleased.

    He wanted to test Weeks to see if he was really serious about not officiating according to the rules.

    Kovalev was not completely done, he was throwing back and if Weeks had done his job, he'd have given kovalev a 5 minute break as that is what happens when the opponent blatantly delivers a low blow. And who knows what would have happened if kovalev was given that chance to recollect himself.

    If the ref in the Joshua klitschko fight stopped it after Joshua got knocked down, we would not have witnessed such a great fight.

    When everything is said and done, with those wishing to revisit Ward's career, they will come to the simple conclusion that he was a very lucky champion who retired without unifying because he knew deep down there were better men still active in his weight classes. And they will reach the conclusions that his fans never cared how he won, even if it was dishonourable and illegal, they will still attempt to claim a moral victory.
     
  7. Braindamage

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    That's only if people believe the same way you do! I personally don't believe the first fight was a robbery, I don't think there were excessive low blows in the rematch. There were (2) actual low blows that landed below the low mark Weeks pointed to during the pre-fight instructions. One of which was a tap on the leg, which made Kovalev act like he was seriously hurt! If you believe Kov was hurt from that shot, then you are truly a nut hugger of the first degree. Don't let me down Seph! I got faith in you to at least admit Kov was doing a little acting on that one. The last shot that landed when Kov was on the ropes, being pummeled by the superior fighter, was questionable and could go either way. Again, Weeks should have intervened and gave a count. This I whole heartedly agree on. I do disagree that history will look unkindly on Ward and his accomplishments in the ring.

    As far as Ward being scared into retirement LOL!!!! That's just hate talking! There is nothing in Ward's career that you can point to as reasoning to believe he retired out of fear! He has always fought tough opponents. He moved up to with every intention, to face a guy that killed someone in the ring, not once, but twice! Yep, pure chicken gutted wuss! C'mon Seph, at the end of the day, you must come to the realization that you either underestimated Ward or believed Kovalev was better than he actually was! Personally, I think you underestimated Ward, because Kovalev is the goods, no doubt! It's ok though, we all make mistakes! Like when my ex wife said that her and our neighbor, ex porn star Afro-Horse, were just friends, boy did I get that wrong!!! LOL
     
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  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I've never seen a fighter who constantly took on the best and was so consistently sensible and even-keeled in interviews get so hated.
     
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  9. alexland

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    yep, and just to fill the context, the dispute Ward had with Gossen was heard by two separate arbitration panels (California State Athletic Board); in addition, Ward also filed a civil lawsuit in California state court. All three were decided in Gossen's favor.

    Ward's spoke to the media on quite a few occasions while the dispute was under review. Ward's story changed a couple of times (at least) but in every case, his narrative was consistent: he was the hard working athlete trying to earn a living and provide for his family; Gossen was the evil promoter who was trying to keep him from doing so.

    but these stories were total BS. If they were true, then they would have been at least in part, the arguments made to the arbitration panels and state court, but they were not. His stories were pure PR; when it came time to provide evidence in a legal tribunal--where he would have to supply proof and be challenged on the facts--he dropped the "victim" narrative.
     
  10. alexland

    alexland student of the sweet science Full Member

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    ok, nice one--but you need to post another one using his nickname, "nutcracker"
     
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  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Ward even tried to insinuate that Gossen was a racist.

    Utter utter scum.
     
  12. Contro

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    Are you trolling?
    Why dont you turn pro then and show all these "cowards" and "frauds" how its done?
     
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  13. Pimp C

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    Beat the living daylights out of Canelo??? I stopped reading right there. You're too irrational delusional and hate filled to be taken serious for real debate.
     
  14. Rock0052

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    You must not remember the crew of posters whose mothers Wlad probably nailed that, to this day, can't say a good thing about him lol. Most of those guys were at it for at least 10 years.
     
  15. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Did you even watch the fight? He made Canelo run and retreat in order to survive, something he has never done in his entire career.

    Are you going to tell me it was a close fight and the draw was reasonable?

    You talk about delusion and being irrational, yet you're the same mutt who believes Ward won the first fight and then in the next breath cry robbery when Pacquaio loses to Horn!