A critical analysis of Jeffries vs Ruhlin

I simply asked for your point of view, and tried to do so in a nice way.
Wasn't Jeffries known as one of the best punchers in boxing for about a decade?

 

It's not even about time period.
Wilder does the same thing.
As in he sometimes flings short hooks that don't cost him his balance, but still have knockout power in them.
From a 1890's camera, those hooks would also appear "pitter-pattery."

 

Just as one cannot determine the power of those body punches one cannot determine the power of those left hooks. If Ruhlin had not gone down from a hook to the body there would have been no evidence those body punches had any power either. Most of them cannot be easily identified as body punches because of the very poor film quality and the shortness of the blows.

 

But this is what I'm asking, how do you know those hooks weren't powerful?

He had more than enough room to get leverage to throw them with mule kick power.

You've seen Joe Louis knock Max Baer down with three short, but very powerful hooks, right?

https://streamable.com/f1kp8

Couldn't he be getting the same kind of leverage behind those hooks?

Mule kick power is harder to detect in older films. Lack of detail and definition in the muscles, and an inclusion of distortion in framerate and other antiquated film errors, makes things like weight shift and kinetic chain very difficult to detect.

 

Can't determine how hard the punches were. The revelation, which you and others conveniently forget, is Jeffries is throwing double and triple hooks. A few weeks ago everyone denied Jeffries had that ability. Today it's accepted but now the power of those blows is being questioned. We have one three minute round of very poor quality film where Jeffries is totally dominating his opponent. From this film the only thing that can be concluded is Jeffries indeed threw double and triple hooks of unknown power and a short hook to the body powerful enough to kd his opponent.

 

It's what I've been writing.

Now tell everyone what will be your next video that's neither amusing or informative. Try acting like an adult (are you?) if you post another.

 

Yeah I think they were Calazghe like slaps, for a Jeffries-type puncher.

The Louis punches have more leverage. But it shows that a short hook can look deceptively weak with older footage, until it lands on an opponent. At least that's what it looks like to me. And I know such is the case for many others.

There are other instances in the fight where Jeffries throws hooks in quick succession with explosive speed and power. https://streamable.com/6h3i3
You pointed to other examples yourself in the video.

 

My point exactly.

 

I didn't deny it ,and I cant really see what all the fuss is about ,who can't throw double or triple hooks?
Jeffries defence or lack of it can be discerned by the footage imo .I have the ringside report of the fight and post fight interviews with both men.
Ruhlin was castigated for not continuing ,though it was his manager who pulled him out.Jeffries accused him of quitting, though much later he changed his view.
Before this fight Jeffries was criticized for not being the aggressive ko puncher John L Sullivan was.
Rd1. Jeffries is described as scorning defence and making no effort to evade Ruhlin's jabs,after the round Jeffries had a mark on his side and his left eye was very red.What blows he landed were heavier than Ruhlin's but Ruhlin had outboxed him.
Rd2.Ruhlin again outboxed Jeffries landing to the body with right hands and head with fast jabs.Some wondered if his punches lacked steam because of Jeffries"wonderful ability to absorb blows".
"Jeffries is a battleship for taking punishment".Jeffries was bleeding from the mouth at the end of the round,but Ruhlin was clinching whenever he could.
3rd. Jeffries went on the offensive now landing what are described as battering ram hooks to the head and body.Ruhlin is said to be looking discouraged after seeing what little effect his punches have on Jeffries who takes his right hands with a smile and "walks after him head down partly unguarded".
Jeffries corners Ruhlin and lands several hard left jolts to the body.A Jeffries counter left hook to jaw and then ribs took the fight out of Ruhlin and a straight left hit him squarely in the eye,Jeffries follows this with a hook to the midriff.
Ruhlin retreats and protests the hook is a foul but the referee overrules him.
.Every time Jeffries hooks to the body now ,Ruhlin is wincing in pain.
Ruhlin tries to clinch but Jeffries effortlessly throws him off and lands some big hooks to the body.They are described as "ribroasters that nearly lift Gus off the floor".
Jeffries hooks are described as "short but with terrible force behind them".Ruhlin is broken mentally by the body shots and is staggering and wobbling aroundJeffries smiles at the punches landing on himself,Ruhlin is said to be looking weak and frightened.Jeffries lands a big left hook to the head which propels Gus into the ropes the ropes save him from falling.Jeffries is landing flush shots now and Ruhlin is in a bad way at the end of the round with a cut and puffed right eye and pink splotches all over his torso.
4thrd.Its all Jeffries he ignores the punches that Ruhlin lands and concentrates on Gus' body.Shifts his target to Ruhlin's bad eye then back down to hook to the stomach.Ruhlin regroups somewhat and manages to land a right to Jeffries body but it is ignored,a right and left from Jeff double up Ruhlin.
Jeffries drops Ruhin with a left to the jaw after landing a right to the wind the KD punch is described as an uppercut.Ruhlin is on his knees, the fight beaten out of him,he gets up at 8 and clinches and the bell saves him.
5thrd.Smelling salts are liberally applied to Ruhlin and he comes out refreshed.
George Siler the famous referee watching the fight said Ruhlin landed as much as Jeffries,but Jeff wasn't bothered by his blows whereas Jeff's punches landed with real force.
Jeffries is smiling continually now as he drives Ruhlin before him Jeff is described as "slaughtering him,especially to the body".Jeff floors him again with a left and Ruhlin takes another 8 count.
Pollack's commentary says,",the films show a double left first to head ,then to body ,both very short and compact."
Once upright Ruhlin groggily clinches and moves away seeing out the round.Billly Madden pulls Gus out between rounds.
Adam Pollack says"The fight was filmed but apparently only part of the 5th rd still exists .
The footage shows Jeffries walking toward Ruhlin with his chin down,with a slight dip to the right,but much more upright than prior accounts of Jeff's style would have led one to believe."
Reporters commented on his much more erect stance ,he kept his right up a bit but left down, cocked to the left.
Jeffries was aggressive simply walking in on Ruhlin keeping the pressure on firing one and two punch bombs hard with fair speed ,but with good controlled form especially with the hook to the body. Ruhlin told Jeffries the hook to the body and the follow up hook to the head in the 4th, took all of his energy out of him.

 

McVey with all due respect you yourself denied Jeffries threw double or triple hooks a few weeks ago. Why you wrote this when the film quite obviously shows this to be the case I do not know. Now once everyone realizes yes indeed Jeffries is throwing these combination we are arguing how hard these punches were. It's called deflection. No one can say how hard these punches were. Certainly the body blow, a left hook body blow, was enough to drop Ruhlin. As for defense no one is saying Jeffries was a defensive wizard. The only point that was made is that this one round where Jeffries is dominating an opponent going all out for the KO is not conducive to determine any fighters defensive capability. It would be similar at looking at the first round of Dempsey Willard and trying to determine his defensive ability. Not a smart choice of round or fight in order to determine defensive skill don't you think?

 

The problem here is, you keep saying we can't tell how powerful it is because of the poor film quality, and yet, there are plenty of fights (filmed the same way) before and after that we can tell if the blow is hard. This whole notion that we can't tell if a blow is hard because the film is old is nonsense. We certainly can tell in other fights and can make that distinction, why, because they have telltale signs of looking hard. The blows by Jeffries very clearly aren't of that same ilk. They look like slaps, and it's not the film quality making them look as such.