Rate Vitali Klitschko punching power

You should do, since your point doesn't make much sense otherwise. Hard punchers don't always win fights. There are too many factors to take into account. Rating Vitali a 6 because he couldn't drop Briggs or beat an ATG in Lewis is a ridiculous comment to make unless you're prepared to apply it to other fighters uniformly across the board. Shavers couldn't stop Ali or Holmes, or even Lyle, Tillis or Mercado, so he can't rank too highly either.

He also couldn't drop an ancient Ali who was a sitting duck the entire fight. Frazier dropped a prime version.

Shavers ranking about a 6 or 7 seem right to you?

 

Because Frazier managed it, and on a much fresher version to boot. Does that make Frazier a harder puncher than Shavers? If not, why not?

 

I don't believe Shaves ever fought Berbick , but anyway , saying he ranks 6 or 7 because he couldn't stop those guys is like saying Jackson rates a 6 or 7 because he couldn't put away Mecallan or Macallum.

Vitali ranks a 6 because his resume is littered with bums and its still completely absent of highlight reel KO's. The man just wasn't a heavy hitter and the proof right there in the pudding. Look how heavy hitter Wilder dispatches his bums , there's no compassion.

 

I thought it was obvious. Briggs during all 12 rounds was taking blows from Vitaly, Lewis wasn't in his prime and good shape, and didn't appreciate Vitaly who was in prime and craved for great wins.
And who were the other opponents of Vitali, boxer with punching power more 7, would beat most of them and KO not later 3-4 rounds.

 

Crap, you're right. I meant Tillis. Edited.

Yes, it would be. But I'm not saying that. I'm saying that's the logical extension of the argument above. Hence, "By that rationale..."

If you're going to criticise a fighter on one set of criteria you need to apply that same criteria to every other fighter otherwise you're just picking and choosing to suit your pre-established narrative. That's not fair or honest debating.

Shavers's entire career was littered with bums. His only top end KOs were Norton, Ellis and a green Young, none of which were stunning KOs in a visually impressive sense (Young isn't even on film). So I don't honestly see where you're going with that argument.

Alexander Povetkin has better HL reel KOs than Shavers.

 

Foreman couldn't stop Savarese. Wlad couldn't stop Jennings.

Don't be so simple minded.

 

Vlad is a separate case, he used maximum safety strategy for himself. And if he could win by decision he didn't sharpen the situation.

Vitaly was accumulative arm puncher of course he was heavy-handed and very strong and his strategy was a ton of blows. but he wasn't real puncher like his brother.

 

Vitali couldn't drop Chisora either and Haye sparked him,the Ukrainian's power is overated.

 

Vitali hit Briggs with over 170 flush right hands and couldn't floor him, that is telling.

 

Shavers knocked out 46 men ,from 86 fights.Vitali 15 from 47.

 

Vitali has zero top end KO's.... and a lot of the bums he fought were plodding face first into his power shots.
The way Shavers dropped Holmes like a ton of bricks is all you need to know about hard he hits.

 

yeh but foreman stopped elites.

wlad dont stop no world classers, nevermind elites and atg.

why did you not know this? let us know why.

 

because its boxing, not a linear 2 dimensional computer game.

None of this qualifies you saying "couldnt even stop Ali".

what that statement qualifies you for is a DKNSAB prize.

 

You make lots of mistakes. One glaring omission was Vitali was in fact older than Briggs as he was 39 for the fight!

Briggs in his later years took a much better punch and added a lot of weigh tot his massive frame. I've meet Briggs. The guy has a huge neck, by my guess 20", and a very large head. You're not going to move a guy with these dimensions easily.

Anyway Briggs took clean shots from Ibragimov, a puncher. And Liakhovich, who was a solid hitter landed plenty of times. They could not hurt him. Did you see these fights? Likely not, but Vitali did hurt Briggs and move him, hence he has more power. Foreman could not hurt Briggs either, and once again Briggs said Vitali hit harder than Foreman.

If you want to use Lennox Lewis words he called Briggs the hardest puncher he ever fought.

 

QUOTE="Mendoza, post: 18807028, member: 19227"]You make lots of mistakes. One glaring omission was Vitali was in fact older than Briggs as he was 39 for the fight!

Briggs in his later years took a much better punch and added a lot of weigh tot his massive frame. I've meet Briggs. The guy has a huge neck, by my guess 20", and a very large head. You're not going to move a guy with these dimensions easily.

Anyway Briggs took clean shots from Ibragimov, a puncher. And Liakhovich, who was a solid hitter landed plenty of times. They could not hurt him. Did you see these fights? Likely not, but Vitali did hurt Briggs and move him, hence he has more power. Foreman could not hurt Briggs either, and once again Briggs said Vitali hit harder than Foreman.

If you want to use Lennox Lewis words he called Briggs the hardest puncher he ever fought.[/QUOTE]
Yes harder than Vitali! lol
Briggs ran away from Foreman all night ,he went at Vitali!
You meeted Briggs? That must have been nice for you!
Bottom line Lewis knocked a prime Briggs down and stopped him in5 rds Vitali could not even floor an old Briggs!


Klitschko punishes outgunned Briggs
By Dan Rafael, ESPN.com, October 18, 2010

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Klitschko lands a right against Briggs
Briggs, the former two-time titleholder, had done nothing in years to warrant this title shot, but because the heavyweight division is so weak on credible contenders, and because Briggs has a name, he got the fight. He might regret it after the absolutely massive beating he took. Klitschko, with the highest knockout percentage in heavyweight championship history, laid gargantuan punishment on Briggs for the entire fight, but Briggs never went down. He showed a big heart and absolutely nothing else. Klitschko pummeled him repeatedly with flush right hands, many of them the chopping variety to the side of the head and behind the ear. Punch after punch, Briggs, 38, of New York, just sopped it all up in a frightening display.


Still waiting for those Jackson and Johnson fights you say Siler refereed! Did you forget to post them?